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Partners to be quizzed in new gun licence screening
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Partners to be quizzed in new gun licence screening
From BBC website Partners to be quizzed in new gun licence screening ...I'm kind of surprised they don't do this already. After all they speak to our doctors so why not our wives/husbands?
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Heym SR20
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I suspect, but haven’t seen any statistics, the very vast majority of incidents involving licensed firearms are either
1) Licensed firearms (including shotguns) that have been stolen or otherwise illegally obtained and are being used by non licensed holders. In other words there has a crime in obtaining the weapon - a burglar breaking into a house and then cutting open a gun cabinet and then using the gun obtained in other crimes.
2) where a licensed person uses his own gun to end his own life. Such actions are generally very difficult to predict, even by close family. With benefit of 20/20 hindsight you might have been able to prevent it, but often there are other factors at play - diagnosis of terminal illness etc. These are tragedies but better than a slow lingering horrific and painful death? And is there is there a public safety issue. I suspect plenty of deaths where somebody has gone into a tree or a bridge may not have been wholly accidental.
3) where somebody with a licensed firearm has gone mad. However there has usually been multiple warnings and fundamentally the individual concerned should not have had access to firearms. There has been a breakdown in proper process.
I suspect 1 and 3 above are the ones that FEOs awake. The suicides as in 2 are tragic, but to some extent inevitable and some who wants to depart this life will find a way of doing so, regardless of whether or not a gun is involved.
1) Licensed firearms (including shotguns) that have been stolen or otherwise illegally obtained and are being used by non licensed holders. In other words there has a crime in obtaining the weapon - a burglar breaking into a house and then cutting open a gun cabinet and then using the gun obtained in other crimes.
2) where a licensed person uses his own gun to end his own life. Such actions are generally very difficult to predict, even by close family. With benefit of 20/20 hindsight you might have been able to prevent it, but often there are other factors at play - diagnosis of terminal illness etc. These are tragedies but better than a slow lingering horrific and painful death? And is there is there a public safety issue. I suspect plenty of deaths where somebody has gone into a tree or a bridge may not have been wholly accidental.
3) where somebody with a licensed firearm has gone mad. However there has usually been multiple warnings and fundamentally the individual concerned should not have had access to firearms. There has been a breakdown in proper process.
I suspect 1 and 3 above are the ones that FEOs awake. The suicides as in 2 are tragic, but to some extent inevitable and some who wants to depart this life will find a way of doing so, regardless of whether or not a gun is involved.
nun_hunter
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I expect whatever was to hand was used, obviously if you have guns in the house it adds that as an option. It's not rocket science.
You quoted a statistic on a thread regarding firearms legislation being amended to try to stop lethal domestic abuse, and stated your opinion that the stats speak for themselves. You offered no breakdown of the stats to reflect what percentage resulted from death by firearm, and therefore appear to be complicit in the approach that facts and science are irrelevent, rocket or otherwise. You should get a job with the Scottish Government.
"Almost half (45%) of all adult female homicide victims were killed in a domestic homicide (70). Of these 70 female victims, all but one were killed by a male suspect"
Unfortunately the stats speak for themselves."
nun_hunter
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Half of females killed were killed by their partner in a domestic situation and all but one were make suspects. Males make up the majority of lawful gun holders in the UK and people use whatever is nearby to kill someone.
The police aren't saying that lawfully held firearms will be used to kill partners in a domestic situation but it's not a stretch to see that including guns in a domestic situation would increase the risk of a gun being used. As has been pointed out on here, you can choose two mates to vouch for you as referees but no one has previously bothered to ask the person who knows you best if they have any concerns about you???
It's not a conspiracy to remove guns and it's really not hard to understand why the police would ask these questions, at least not hard for most people.
Your first sentence again is irrelevant to the firearms discussion unless you can quantify how many murders involved firearms, your second is a huge leap to suggest a gun would be used. Most domestic murders are spur of the moment actions, which you seem to agree given your use of the word "nearby".
A locked gun cabinet in the attic, with keys hidden elsewhere, can hardly be considered nearby.
As I stated earlier, I've no issue with anyone living in my household being spoken to at renewal time but I think there must be consideration to the questions asked. I'd hate to think that a tree hugging vegetarian wife simply stating that she doesn't like having firearms in the house could be used/twisted as a basis for refusal and shouldn't take any precedence over a FAC/SGC holder's clear good behaviour and good reason to possess status.
Jon P
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Who marries a tree hugging vegetarian ??
I was just wondering that!Who marries a tree hugging vegetarian ??
DesG
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It was paraphrased from some phycological mumbo jumbo from somewhere. I should have put it in quotes in order not to offend.
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Morkai
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Does it really matter what your partner's view on firearms in the house is?
Rutland lad
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When you say death and injury caused by members of the Police - can you be more specific ? Do you mean RTC’s or people shot (perhaps legally)
They do indeed. The stats above equate to fewer 90 deaths per year. (A small fraction of the number of male homicide victims). The stats from the story given by the police make wholly incredible claims about the effect of this scheme. The spokesperson claimed that their pilot trial of 5000 cases had prevented seven potential domestic abuse homicides. Extending that claim to the whole of the male population implies that the police would prevent around 40,000 potential homicides of females. A number more than 400 times greater than the total number of victims.
As the saying goes; lies, damned lies.....
DesG
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I'm waiting for my renewal interrogation (4 months late now) and already the mrs has cottoned on and keeps telling me that I will have to be especially nice to her to get a favourable report. I HOPE it is jest, but....
We've been married for forty years and she bought me a satin chrome browning 9mm pistol as an engagement present and done a bit of shooting on and off over the years.
As long as I behave and agree to everything till the interview I should be ok.
We've been married for forty years and she bought me a satin chrome browning 9mm pistol as an engagement present and done a bit of shooting on and off over the years.
As long as I behave and agree to everything till the interview I should be ok.
Nellie Jensen
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Well these are some of the questions I don’t think they are reasonable at all
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Why does the instrument matter? Employees of the state should not be killing any member of the public for any reason with any item.
If firearm use was recorded consistently with the law, the fact is that in this country the very large majority of instances of firearms being fired at people are carried out by the police, and that is tens of thousands of times per year.
That has been my default position for last three visits.
It serves several purposes: If I forget something the FEO mentioned during visit, my wife can and will jog my memory later. And when FEO had any questions for her, she was there to field those too.
maxtich
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I only learnt this a few months ago after my renewal was granted ..I just asked my wife if the Feo had asked her about my ownership of firearms.
The Feo had very tactfully asked my wife if she was ok with me having guns in the house..unknown to me ..as he certainly didn’t ask whilst I was in the room!
I must have been out of the kitchen area when he asked her.
My wife’s father was a hunter in Africa and all her side of the family are very familiar with firearms..also my wife gets to watch all her soaps whilst I’m out on the farms.
So I think it’s a good idea for the police to explore to get a much more clearer picture.
The Feo had very tactfully asked my wife if she was ok with me having guns in the house..unknown to me ..as he certainly didn’t ask whilst I was in the room!
I must have been out of the kitchen area when he asked her.
My wife’s father was a hunter in Africa and all her side of the family are very familiar with firearms..also my wife gets to watch all her soaps whilst I’m out on the farms.
So I think it’s a good idea for the police to explore to get a much more clearer picture.
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