Derbyshire farmer shoots burglars

[NoIDeer]

I hope the local community can see this for what it is and not draw their conclusions based on the standing of the people involved within the community.

Some difficult times ahead for all involved in that mess.

 

[spanj]

I think the difference may be was the survivor running away from or towards the gun.

People will usually run away from a gun and may be return. Shouldnt have been there in the first place and thats the REAL problem, no deterrent for these a***holes

 

[DVS1]

Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6

 

[paul o']

Even a the strongest tree will bend but when its had enough you better not be near it when it falls !
Simply put don't go around places you shouldn't be if you don't wish to come to harm.
But as all things the poor lad was only doing what he was allowed to do ???
Its the nanny woke state that has allowed the principle's to fail in todays lowlife ! who feel its a free for all out there for killing, stealing, mugging all because they feel entitled to do it! COZ we is allowed init? The police and the courts will give the good guys all the pain and its the offender thats seems to will get the glory of seeing the system fail the innocent victims?.

 

[nic531]

one of the issues of was the force reasonable is how long did it take you to get your keys, open the gun cabinet, get the ammunition out of its location, load the gun and then challenge/use said item
could the time not have been used in another way in order to minimise the risk/deter the offender.

NB I am not trying to defend them, but saying what one of the questions would be

one of the biggest issues is that no one situation is the same as the other. what is reasonable for me when I was younger fitter, still training etc and now 40 years on, medical issues, not fit, not been in a dojo for 20 plus years are two completely different things

 

[willowbank]

Even a the strongest tree will bend but when its had enough you better not be near it when it falls !
Simply put don't go around places you shouldn't be if you don't wish to come to harm.
But as all things the poor lad was only doing what he was allowed to do ???
Its the nanny woke state that has allowed the principle's to fail in todays lowlife ! who feel its a free for all out there for killing, stealing, mugging all because they feel entitled to do it! COZ we is allowed init? The police and the courts will give the good guys all the pain and its the offender thats seems to will get the glory of seeing the system fail the innocent victims?.

Unfortunately it’s the attitude of these ‘doasyoulikees’, scumbags, lowlife call them what you like but somebody has to do something to curb their activities, I’ve known coppers park up the road rather than tackle them.

WB

 

[paul dillon]

The reporter only tells it Like he want's to any backlash from the locals about the wrong un's he would not portray doesn't sell papers

 

[jimmy milnes]

Several years ago now I went hunting pigs in Texas, one evening talking with my guide and we got onto the subject of protection of property, he was both astonished and mortified that in the UK if someone uninvited enters your property you didn't have the right to send them to their maker.

 

[spanj]

Fine words. Lets see what actually happens. You know as well as we do that the wigs take a very dim view of the hoi polloi using firearms to defend themselves

To clarify, not having a go at you stalker. My post was aimed at what the law states and the difference in how it is applied

 

[mel b3]

I must be honest , I find it difficult to find any kind of sympathy for a burglar .

 

[charlie222]

I happend to meet a lady that used to teach one of the burglars in this case. All local lads i believe. She was adamant that given the time and resources she could have channeled this lad that didn't like school at all, into something positive. It's one of those things where's there's no winners.

 

[Smellydog]

Did he use lead shot....hope so....

 

[zambezi]

in the UK if someone uninvited enters your property you didn't have the right to send them to their maker.

"Castle doctrine" applies in many US states, with some variation.

I.e. the right to defend your home. Were this to be enshrined in U.K. law, it would become a real deterrent to burglary. And simultaneously would help a lot of folk sleep better at night.

 

[kenbro]

Dilemma…… wait to be attacked and possibly killed. Or shoot and risk prison if wrong. What would you do?

Carried by 6 or judged by 12, the choice is yours.
Ken.

 

[Rewulf]

"Castle doctrine" applies in many US states, with some variation.

I.e. the right to defend your home. Were this to be enshrined in U.K. law, it would become a real deterrent to burglary. And simultaneously would help a lot of folk sleep better at night.

Very much so , how many burglars would re think their life choices if they thought there might be a homeowner on the other side of that door with a couple of rounds of SG ?

 

[RescueMe0007]

Details are sketchy as they always are in such matters but on the surface it appears there was a break in at the farm about 3pm, another break in around 1:30am the following morning where 2 intruders were shot and one died. Reports suggest the man who died was in the house but unclear on location of second shooting (no suggestion I can find he was legging it across open fields though!).

A key point is the second man shot has been held on suspicion of aggravated burglary meaning he was armed in some way.

Whaley Bridge: Farmer held over burglary shooting death

The man is being detained on suspicion of murder following the shooting, the BBC understands.

www.bbc.co.uk

I like the approach in one of the States in America (Arizona maybe). Bunch of teenage thugs attempt to break in to a property (they were armed with a miscellany of offensive weapons). Homeowner responds by fatally shooting a number of them. Those in the group that got away (including a teenage girl) were subsequently tried and convicted of murder, as the fatalities had happened during the commission of a crime! Now, that's justice and falls within the three criteria for punishment: deterrence, retribution (NOT permitted) and rehabilitation. Were I on the jury, the property owner would never be convicted.

 

[jimmer.13]

Did he use lead shot....hope so....

The only time that I would agree that lead shot is bad for your health…

 

[Heym SR20]

I like the approach in one of the States in America (Arizona maybe). Bunch of teenage thugs attempt to break in to a property (they were armed with a miscellany of offensive weapons). Homeowner responds by fatally shooting a number of them. Those in the group that got away (including a teenage girl) were subsequently tried and convicted of murder, as the fatalities had happened during the commission of a crime! Now, that's justice and falls within the three criteria for punishment: deterrence, retribution (NOT permitted) and rehabilitation. Were I on the jury, the property owner would never be convicted.

But equally in most US Jurisdictions if you shoot somebody you had better be able to show very good reason etc as you will be subject to a full investigation and full weight of the law.

In the UK we don’t permit firearms to be for self defence and carried or to be available as such (except in a few special circumstances and then usually in the service of the crown). When not in use our laws require firearms to be kept securely locked away.

I suspect the law would look very differently if you took out a shotgun to go and investigate a noise in the barns, to a gang brandishing AK 47s, already discharging rounds into the farm house and was now trying to break in.

 

[enfieldspares]

I suspect the law would look very differently if you took out a shotgun to go and investigate a noise in the barns

Foxes? Chickens?

 

[Heym SR20]

Foxes? Chickens?

Yes fine, but to take a shotgun out because you think somebody is up to no good, perhaps not.