Labour using firearm licensing to pay for knife crime prevention

[nun_hunter]

That’s not right there’s more folk in the upper tax bracket than ever because the brackets barely moved. Don’t forget a lot of grand parents and extended family contribute to fees not just parents who have possibly been saving for years not just there current earnings.

People should be able to spend money how they please especially where children’s education is concerned, it’s mental to think a section of society are angry because they view them as under paying tax dodgers .

Let’s also be clear any additional tax revenue collected by any government will be wasted of course.

I'm not against private education and definitely agree that tax brackets need to move with inflation and average earnings (just like council tax bands should move with house prices) but that doesn't alter that the average yearly private school fee is over ⅔ the average salary meaning it's definitely not something for the average or even slightly better off person to be able to afford.

 

[Rasputin]

I'm not against private education and definitely agree that tax brackets need to move with inflation and average earnings (just like council tax bands should move with house prices) but that doesn't alter that the average yearly private school fee is over ⅔ the average salary meaning it's definitely not something for the average or even slightly better off person to be able to afford.

The problem is you’re applying a set of numbers which are for the whole population rather than a percentage who are applicable.

As in another thread there’s plenty of people dropping £1k a month on cars and luxury’s. Life’s about priorities and if there’s a will there’s a way I personally think it is affordable for people in professional jobs barely know anyone making less than £60k a year who is 40+ and if they are it’s usually because they chose some poorly paid career not that they are grossed under paid.

 

[baguio]

I'm not against private education and definitely agree that tax brackets need to move with inflation and average earnings (just like council tax bands should move with house prices) but that doesn't alter that the average yearly private school fee is over ⅔ the average salary meaning it's definitely not something for the average or even slightly better off person to be able to afford.

I have done the maths on this and it will do nothing to raise money for state Schools.
615,000 children attend private schools. 1/3 = 202,250 (est) will be priced out if the fees go up 20%.
Each child going to state schools cost the govn £7,500/year 202,250 x £7500 + £1.5Billion.
Starmer says that the tax will raise £1.5Billion. Well clearly he's going to need that money to teach the additional children who will get worse education.
Is Diane Abbott involved in this again?

 

[nun_hunter]

I have done the maths on this and it will do nothing to raise money for state Schools.
615,000 children attend private schools. 1/3 = 202,250 (est) will be priced out if the fees go up 20%.
Each child going to state schools cost the govn £7,500/year 202,250 x £7500 + £1.5Billion.
Starmer says that the tax will raise £1.5Billion. Well clearly he's going to need that money to teach the additional children who will get worse education.
Is Diane Abbott involved in this again?

Financially it doesn't make sense, it's just something to get votes based on an ideology. It doesn't have to make financial sense for those who believe it's the right thing to do even if plenty of other don't feel it's the right thing.

 

[nun_hunter]

The problem is you’re applying a set of numbers which are for the whole population rather than a percentage who are applicable.

As in another thread there’s plenty of people dropping £1k a month on cars and luxury’s. Life’s about priorities and if there’s a will there’s a way I personally think it is affordable for people in professional jobs barely know anyone making less than £60k a year who is 40+ and if they are it’s usually because they chose some poorly paid career not that they are grossed under paid.

£30k is the average so plenty more people are earning under that or just barely over it.

Just because you surround yourself with other people earning over £60k a year doesn't mean that's indicative of the majority. I finally make decent money but due to not being able to previously afford to buy a house until recently my mortgage is very high and I live in the South East so there's no way no matter how old my phone or car is or if I stopped buying avocados and cappuccinos that I could afford private school for my two kids.

 

[Olaf]

Vote for high tax, centralised control, statist parties and you’ll get policies to match

Liebour and the CONservatives are two cheeks of the same arse and between them they produce more of the proverbial brown stuff than you’ll see just about anywhere.

We need a change and it’s not Labour. If you want to go left, go Lib Dem. If you want to go right, go Reform. That’s the ONLY way the two standing parties will understand we’re heartily sick of the both of them.

Personally, I can’t face voting Lib Dem , such a pack of dishonest hypocritical crooks, in my eyes they are a labour conservative hybrid party. Frankly as bad , if not worse , than the conservative and Labour crooks .
I’m going to vote Reform. Unless that is , if they have something really completely unacceptable in their manifesto , I believe they are releasing their manifesto tomorrow. I keenly await reading about it. To be fair to Reform though, I simply cannot see how they can get it wrong, they stand for radical changes to the political system and how the country is governed. It’s what the UK has needed for decades and decades.
I really hope that this stupid conservative labour bipolar political disorder will finally get smashed to bits this election. I’m not holding particularly high hopes that it will happen, but it’s the first time there has been a slight chance of it as both main parties have shown themselves to be particularly crap over the recent past. Hopefully people will vote for change and not more lies.
Kindest regards, Olaf



Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[Stevie/P]

everything is a big fat lie why can’t the population realise everything is a lie we will all be worse of after the election get used to it and move on

 

[Rasputin]

£30k is the average so plenty more people are earning under that or just barely over it.

Just because you surround yourself with other people earning over £60k a year doesn't mean that's indicative of the majority. I finally make decent money but due to not being able to previously afford to buy a house until recently my mortgage is very high and I live in the South East so there's no way no matter how old my phone or car is or if I stopped buying avocados and cappuccinos that I could afford private school for my two kids.

I think your missing my point which is the type of people who are likely to be considering sending kids to private school will be higher earners likely public school attendees themselves. So using the average nationally isn’t fair or reasonable imo.

Mortgage point is obviously valid as it’s probably the largest single cost to a family but in plenty of situations the fees arnt just born by the parents.

 

[baguio]

It would seem fair to reimburse people who send there kids to private schools for the cost saved by them not attending regular schools….. perhaps to radical for some

Whilst on paper, that would appear to be fair, I would argue, what about those people who never have children? Why should they pay to send other people's kids to school? Ultimately, taxing private schools is not about making any money for state schools. It's just a load of hot air designed to win the votes of the poorer working classes and the lazy!

 

[Bowland blades]

In the labour manifesto it states that it will introduce a knife crime deduction program funded by recovering the full cost of fire licensing.

As a labour supporter I am extremely disappointed on this matter because

1) It is wrong that law abiding citizens penalised by directly fund Anti crime
2) it will make gun ownership unaffordable for people in lower incomes - a betrayal of the “working class”
3) it is impossible to find the said program in less licensing is run at a profit- ie more that the full cost of licensing is recovered.

On the plus side as a full paying we may get the quality of service that we deserve.

The Tory government has been in too long and needs to go and a lurch further right is not what we need, but I think we desperately need our shooting organisations to step up and challenge this as I shudder to think what the full cost is.

How the heck does a sain person , put the most trusted part of the uk comunity carry the burden of knife crime ? Also why are our MPs in all parties not making noises about why we have such a knife issue ? Its the gangs that deal drugs - the failure of all politicians! we need to absolutely need to come down hard on the drug gangs and street dealing/ territory fights for street corners and "Taxing" ( robbing street dealers of product and cash ).
whatever any government does knives will still be a necessary item that will continue to be in every UK home in reasonable quantity . Or have they a plan to only to allow only liquidised food plasic forks and such ?
Here is my plan .. Hit the importation of drugs , the manufacture of drugs , break up the gangs . Longer harder prison terms and better Re-Hab for users . Any MP who gets caught up in drug use themselves ? Hard and long time behind bars. Lets be frank there are people in parliament that have admitted drug use

 

[Bowland blades]

I think your missing my point which is the type of people who are likely to be considering sending kids to private school will be higher earners likely public school attendees themselves. So using the average nationally isn’t fair or reasonable imo.

Mortgage point is obviously valid as it’s probably the largest single cost to a family but in plenty of situations the fees arnt just born by the parents.

When private schools close - Where do we fit all the extra pupils ? Those who send their kids to such schools also reduce the costs of state education. This is via paying taxes for other folks kids to benefit . If this insane plan comes to be we all need to remember the tax burden will rise very significantly for all !
Look at where a great deal of the labour MPs where educated , hypocrites!

 

[Bowland blades]

That's a terrible analysis. They're not even discussing the actual cost of licensing, they're simply trying to match the fee to the required budget for the knife crime proposals!

The question is after this bunch have had a stab at running the nation , will the next party trash that plan ? The way things are looking they wont get in for a second term , their economics stink - The rich will leave just like previous and the poorest families . NHS will suffer towards the end when the money runs out .
Running a Nation is more like a true Business not A charity shop

 

[Rasputin]

When private schools close - Where do we fit all the extra pupils ? Those who send their kids to such schools also reduce the costs of state education. This is via paying taxes for other folks kids to benefit . If this insane plan comes to be we all need to remember the tax burden will rise very significantly for all !
Look at where a great deal of the labour MPs where educated , hypocrites!

Exactly bunch of scumbags masquerading as common plebs. The real losers on this are the children across both types of schooling but then again it’s probably part of their long game to dumb down enough folk so they get voted in again and again.

 

[nun_hunter]

I think your missing my point which is the type of people who are likely to be considering sending kids to private school will be higher earners likely public school attendees themselves. So using the average nationally isn’t fair or reasonable imo.

Mortgage point is obviously valid as it’s probably the largest single cost to a family but in plenty of situations the fees arnt just born by the parents.

I do see your point and agree to some extent but Labour aren't trying to win the votes of people sending their kids to private school. They're trying to win over people who may have voted Tory previously but feel screwed over by them. People who feel that the Tories have looked after their rich chums and who probably went to private school themselves but who can't afford to send their kids to private school so don't give a monkey's about the tax implications of those who do.

 

[artiglio]

I wouldn't have an issue covering the cost of my FAC and SGC as it only seems fair. My problem is with them linking it with knife crime. It appears to just be an anti gun statement which will please a lot of their supporters. They obviously feel strongly about shooting to be bringing it up at this stage, who knows what will happen if they get into power.

Theoretically ok, but it opens the door for all sorts of cost recovery, will dog owners have to pay for any nhs treatment incurred as a result of their pets actions? Likewise should pet owners be billed by local authorities for the cost of collecting and disposing of dog waste and the costs of a dog warden. Those at least would be a direct burden on those who use the services. Will shoplifters or any criminal have to pay the full cost incurred in investigating and prosecuting their illegal behaviours, like many things some costs are socialised firearm licensing is one ,the benefits to wider society being worth the tiny overall cost.
Plus of course it’s almost an insult to link the legal cost of a very law abiding minority in society to the actions of an equally small number of the criminally minded.

 

[Julian S]

Has everyone done the BASC thing where basc contacts your local candidates for their stance on basc statements/COUNTRYSIDE ISSUES, its very good. I finally got a reply from South west Cornwall m to tell me she had been to some BASC presentations in Westminster.
Failed to give me her stance either way though ,so I emailed her back asking for a proper answer,.The wife will be doing it too, its a really good way to contact all the candidate in your area, well done BASC.
Well worth doing.

 

[Morkai]

Here is my plan .. Hit the importation of drugs

Doesn't work and hasn't worked.

the manufacture of drugs

Doesnt work and hasn't worked

break up the gangs

How? a new just one starts up.

Longer harder prison terms

Doesn't work and hasn't worked.
Someone just fills their place.

Better Re-Hab for users

This I agree with.


The rest of it though has been done for decades and decades in many, many countries and it just doesn't work.

 

[bowji john]

We can moan all we like - but a socialist state we are going to get

I find it rather ironic that I came here soon after this country pulled itself out of the ravages of socialism

Because of my age I suspect I’ll shuffle off during its return

The **** they will cause will not be my problem

But I’ll giggle from the grave thinking of the wringing of hands by those that usher in the commies

You will regret it - you just don’t know it yet

 

[aris]

Certain things should just never be taxed. Food, healthcare, and education are the main ones.

 

[Bowland blades]

Exactly bunch of scumbags masquerading as common plebs. The real losers on this are the children across both types of schooling but then again it’s probably part of their long game to dumb down enough folk so they get voted in again and again.

OK , my big issue with Labour is very much in the Maths . if all these parents who pay private ( and they aint all super rich snobs by any means ) We have a massive problem - lack of school places for those that just wont be able to pay the fees once they are taxed to the hilt and their companies hit the wall or they leave the Uk ! remember the Brain Drain that occurred last time Labour got into the politics of spreading hate?
Anyhow , check out the candidates . I know the kids dont get it - the vast majority are not regular folks done good but very much born into wealth and privilege . Heck i don't get it the main man of the party is also of the aristocrats, Blair before likewise