Labour using firearm licensing to pay for knife crime prevention

[baguio]

A tax on exceptional arrogance not on school fees, would be acceptable. If it were tax on exceptional arrogance it would capture Starmer, Rayner and Reeves too, all of whom are individually considerably more arrogant than Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Rory Stewart, the Archbish of C, or Goldsmith combined.

Starmer's a complete ****. Champagne society, self-righteous sphincter. Responsible for an organisation that saw fit to wrongly pursue journalists while doing nothing about notorious paedophiles and colluding in persecuting postmasters in the largest miscarriage of justice ever. Failing upwards all the way. That's before the grotesque political record he has. It's a miracle the man's not in prison, which is certainly where he belongs.
Rayner's ****ing stupid, but only enjoys this absurd reputation because our left-wing media idolises her cretinously because even they can't believe someone with so few qualities could possibly reach such an elevated position. The media consistently do this and consistently get it wrong almost every time: Obama, Biden, Rory Stewart, Savile or whichever other staff member is a sex offender this week, all these BLM activists who turn out to be criminals, Merkel, Lagarde.
Reeves is just a child who thinks she's about eight times cleverer than she is.

How did Diane Abbott not get a mention?

 

[Rasputin]

How did Diane Abbott not get a mention?

Discrimination to mention her on mental health grounds

 

[Morkai]

Absolutely not grew up there equally as bad far too many civil servants. Regardless of Le Pen she won’t change anything. Frogs to lazy and militant to make changes unless they bring the guillotine back for the EU sycophants.

The French.

 

[Rasputin]

The French.

Hahaha I’m laughing about a true story of the French fire brigade going on their lunch during a fire drill at the petro chemical plants my old man worked at. They were supposed to be finding “bodies” and just downed tools .

You’ve got to admire the consistency they display and dgaf atttitude.

 

[Morkai]

Hahaha I’m laughing about a true story of the French fire brigade going on their lunch during a fire drill at the petro chemical plants my old man worked at. They were supposed to be finding “bodies” and just downed tools .

You’ve got to admire the consistency they display and dgaf atttitude.

My old boss was French, he was very relaxed about us having a 2hr dinner break if we fancied it.

 

[Rasputin]

My old boss was French, he was very relaxed about us having a 2hr dinner break if we fancied it.

Exactly maybe we’re all wrong.

 

[Apthorpe]

How did Diane Abbott not get a mention?

She's not so arrogant. Certainly as stupid, but to be fair to her (and why should I, because she certainly isn't fair to others) she has had a fair old struggle over the years. Much self-inflicted, admittedly.

 

[baguio]

She's not so arrogant. Certainly as stupid, but to be fair to her (and why should I, because she certainly isn't fair to others) she has had a fair old struggle over the years. Much self-inflicted, admittedly.

She's done ok Financially out of her stupidity! I wouldn't mind being a £ behind her, that's for sure!

 

[timbrayford]

I know at least a dozen etonians and Harrovians they are good people! They are also not politicians so that probably explains it.

Anyone voting Labour needs their fac revoking on mental grounds. Let’s be honest here the tories are an absolute **** show and a large part of that is because liebour have been and will be so utterly **** that it’s allowed them to be. If we had a proper opposition this situation where we gave top sides of the same coin wouldn’t happen.

Resigned myself to the fact that the UK is going to be a cesspool for a decade which ever way it goes and the only hope is that I can retain all my wealth in the business then do a flit to somewhere at an appropriate time with hopefully a little more than before. Sad state of affairs when that’s your best plan.

I agree, but where I live its the proverbial rock & hard place. The outgoing Tory is a total waste of the world's resources and far more interested in eastern European affairs than his own constituency, and totally impossible to communicate with. On the other hand the Labour alternative I've had many decent conversations with and as far as I'm aware has a positive attitude towards private gun ownership and shooting sports, but there is of course the not insignificant matter of the Labour manifesto. If only the Tories had selected a decent candidate, but that's their choice and not mine.

 

[shakey jake]

exactly. more bullying and jealously from labour targeting a small minority because they don't like the idea that people can have choice. its a shame they can't be content with the monopoly of 93% of the education market.

it is illegal to charge VAT on education in the EU and Germany actually gives tax rebates to parents of independent schools because they are removing the cost of their children from the state system.

i hope any parents that voted for brexit dont moan about vat then

 

[artschool]

i hope any parents that voted for brexit dont moan about vat then

non sequitur

 

[imnotrucknut]

What did your candidate say when you asked them about it, before you ask, all mine gave pretty much the same response, we support legitimate use but must ensure public safety etc, waiting for the reform reply

My local labour mp responded by
We support shooting and conservation as long as it is legal.

Gary

 

[shakey jake]

non sequitur

yep, i made my first point that you replied to.
you then mentioned the eu so i responded

 

[artschool]

yep, i made my first point that you replied to.
you then mentioned the eu so i responded

all i meant was that leaving the eu isn’t the problem.

if you read this you will see what i mean. adding VAT is actually against the public interest.

Applying VAT to Independent School Fees Could Cost As Much As £1.6 Billion

the reason we are discussing this point in a shooting forum is they amount to the same thing.

labour hate the shooting community and labour hate independent schools.

so they are going to try everything to remove both from existence.

 

[Utectok]

all i meant was that leaving the eu isn’t the problem.

if you read this you will see what i mean. adding VAT is actually against the public interest.

Applying VAT to Independent School Fees Could Cost As Much As £1.6 Billion

the reason we are discussing this point in a shooting forum is they amount to the same thing.

labour hate the shooting community and labour hate independent schools.

so they are going to try everything to remove both from existence.

Im sort of in favour of vat on private schools but also It would seem fair to reimburse people who send there kids to private schools for the cost saved by them not attending regular schools….. perhaps to radical for some

 

[nun_hunter]

Agree completely!
. What I would also observe from both schools that our children used was that the vast majority of parents were of "modest means" and, like us with our second, made cuts and savings so that their children had the best chance that they could assist with in starting their lives.

I do agree there are potentially benefits for children in private education and no doubt you did consider yourself to be of modest means, I don't think the same could be said nowadays.

The average yearly private school fees are around the £20k mark per child plus conservatively another £3k in school clubs and trips etc. If you're in the upper tax bracket as someone mentioned on here then you'll be earning almost an extra £50k per year just to pay for each child to go to school. With the average wage of £32k a year I don't think anyone can honestly say that current private schools cater for the average middle class worker like they used to.

 

[timbrayford]

labour hate independent schools.

Having had to endure old Harrovian Bob Seely as our MP since 2017 I'm warming to Labour's view on independent schools, nothing to do with any party politics either. Incidentally old Etonian Dudley Fishburn was every bit as bad but having failed to get elected here he ended up representing his kith and kin in some posh area of London.

 

[Rasputin]

I do agree there are potentially benefits for children in private education and no doubt you did consider yourself to be of modest means, I don't think the same could be said nowadays.

The average yearly private school fees are around the £20k mark per child plus conservatively another £3k in school clubs and trips etc. If you're in the upper tax bracket as someone mentioned on here then you'll be earning almost an extra £50k per year just to pay for each child to go to school. With the average wage of £32k a year I don't think anyone can honestly say that current private schools cater for the average middle class worker like they used to.

That’s not right there’s more folk in the upper tax bracket than ever because the brackets barely moved. Don’t forget a lot of grand parents and extended family contribute to fees not just parents who have possibly been saving for years not just there current earnings.

People should be able to spend money how they please especially where children’s education is concerned, it’s mental to think a section of society are angry because they view them as under paying tax dodgers .

Let’s also be clear any additional tax revenue collected by any government will be wasted of course.

 

[Apthorpe]

i hope any parents that voted for brexit dont moan about vat then

It isn't illegal to charge VAT on education in the EU. As a matter of fact, VAT is required to exist by EU law. After Brexit, it is possible to abolish it altogether...even though that won't happen.

 

[Tf223]

Most other licensing regimes are run on cost recovery so increasing to that by any government would not be a surprise.

However cost recovery is just that, the cost of the processing of licensing and enforcement of licence breaches by licensees.

The Police cannot generate and use a surplus to find other non licensed matters - if they do the the shooting orgs should JR any such decision.

However by increasing current fees to current costs, they’d be able to stop subsiding firearms licensing and use they subsidy on other government costs.