That is something I cannot comprehend.
The only response to that is that you clearly know a lot of people who married the wrong person!
Surely people are aware of what their fiancé's interests are before tying the knot?
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UK vs US deer stalking attitudes
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The only response to that is that you clearly know a lot of people who married the wrong person!
Surely people are aware of what their fiancé's interests are before tying the knot?
It depends really, a lot of folks don’t even know you’re allowed to stalk deers, like a few of my friends for example. When they learn you can then they find out their wife’s won’t allow them to own a shotgun or rifle. I’m lucky mrs doesn’t mind at all, hopefuly when my daughter becomes someone’s wife she won’t mind either (she does cry when I don’t take her hunting with me she’s only 3
)Christ when my neighbour found out I had a larder and did game ....they were totally taken aback that there was public gun ownership in the UK / Scotland! He asked how did I shoot or manage to drop the deer?....with a rifle I replied ...he was flabbergasted !
Even commented on fact he wasn't aware their were "sniper rifles" in a house next to his ....I didn't mention the shotguns as well ...
But he had NO problem with the burgers I offered him to try !
Paul
Even commented on fact he wasn't aware their were "sniper rifles" in a house next to his ....I didn't mention the shotguns as well ...
But he had NO problem with the burgers I offered him to try !
Paul
Bavarianbrit
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If the wife forbids gun ownership then pack her cases for her, it is the least you should do to help her with her move.
Rake Aboot
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I think what you’ve managed to say their is that you agree with me
devon deer stalker
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Have you ever hunted outside of Georgia?
watercolour
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South Carolina. I havent been fortunate enough to travel out of state hunting very much. I have numerous acquaintances who frequent Kentucky, Kansas, Ohio, and Colorado. Most of them lease farms to hunt in these states or they book hunts with outfitters. My income doesn't really allow me this luxury. Although I do plan to small game hunt Kentucky in the near future.
Agreed, my wife helps me skin the odd deer, the head has to be off though, she doesn't like the dead looking at her !
devon deer stalker
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I have hunted Montana 4 times, self guided and all public land, I've never felt there were too many hunters, after opening day things really quieten down.
I've shot 2 bull elk and more deer than I care to remember.
Cootmeurer
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Tags and lottery is a state by state issue.We don’t have the Tag lottery though. No tag, no hunt on public land, isn’t it?
Ken .
Ps. I think you do have social media
Many states don’t require tags at all, just a license. It has to do with deer density, hunter density, and season length.
In most of the Southeastern US a license is purchased over the counter and allows the hunter to take x many deer (in NC it was 6 deer, in other states it was 1 per day).
By the time you get to the Midwest the license still gets you a certain number, but often they are by form of take. (For example, if it is 4 deer, all 4 can be taken by archery, but only 2 could be taken by firearm)
Once out west, with more land but significant lower deer density then the lottery draw for tags comes into play. But even then there are often options for OTC (over the counter direct purchase) tags. A prime mule deer area may have limited mule deer tags, but to check the influx of invasive white tails may allow unlimited OTC tags for that species.
And “glorious” species may have a once in a lifetime draw rule. Bighorn sheep often fit in this category
This is confusing. If a British wife dislikes her husbands interests, he will obey her? If my wife uttered words like " I demand you to quit your fishing and hunting. And stop watching football too", I would be out the door by the end of that sentence. Luckily my wife is very eager for the venison. Can you really let a wife veto this?
Your friends need to put their big boy trousers on and not be told what they can and can’t do!
kenbro
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That's a common thing in the US in some areas - giving meat away, not necessarily having a community meal w/wild game. In some parts of Montana you can get multiple doe deer tags or a cow elk and can shoot more than you can eat. You can donate the game meat to a charity or give it to friends or neighbors.
More common is making jerky or sausage and giving it away for healthy snacks.
Even though it's not "scalable", it only takes one convert to create another convert! One new person involved in country sports, fishing, hunting can make a big difference.
We have plenty of elitists in the US that consider hunting a low class, nasty thing to do. Country singers and NASCAR drivers? Their customer base supports hunting. US tech oligarchs or East/West coast politicians would likely be run out of town on a rail if they shared trophy pics! We have all kinds....
I'm rich and powerful! Who knew!!
I'm not, and nor are the butcher, lorry driver, fork-lift instructor, gamekeeper and retired driving instructor I know, or knew, that stalk.
billy_boyle_2010
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Can it really make a big difference ? How ?
A marriage is supposed to be a bringing together of equals. In days gone by, tradition and indeed law dictated that the man was the head of the household. Are we saying that today the woman is in charge and decides what is allowed?
I do understand that there are compromises to be made. My wife was not keen on firearms in the house when our children were small, but since they have now flown the nest (apart from frequent visits to be fed, scour the place for toilet rolls and to "borrow" tools) that has changed. Anyway, in those days I had no time to indulge in any sort of hobby. But these days, she encourages me.
Anyway, generally speaking it does seem as though shooting in the UK is much more frowned upon than most places elsewhere. Do banks in the USA decline to have shooting related businesses and close their accounts? Does the media (telly mostly) hardly ever mention any shooting sport and when they have to, put on a frown and hang dog expression as though they are talking about the Holocaust? Does Ebay in the USA have a strict ban on anyone selling anything shooting related? In the UK, it's hard not to see anyone who indulges in any sort of field sport as a downtrodden member and shunned. This is despite, still, the majority of (non-shooting) people in the UK not really having any strong opinions either way.
I do understand that there are compromises to be made. My wife was not keen on firearms in the house when our children were small, but since they have now flown the nest (apart from frequent visits to be fed, scour the place for toilet rolls and to "borrow" tools) that has changed. Anyway, in those days I had no time to indulge in any sort of hobby. But these days, she encourages me.
Anyway, generally speaking it does seem as though shooting in the UK is much more frowned upon than most places elsewhere. Do banks in the USA decline to have shooting related businesses and close their accounts? Does the media (telly mostly) hardly ever mention any shooting sport and when they have to, put on a frown and hang dog expression as though they are talking about the Holocaust? Does Ebay in the USA have a strict ban on anyone selling anything shooting related? In the UK, it's hard not to see anyone who indulges in any sort of field sport as a downtrodden member and shunned. This is despite, still, the majority of (non-shooting) people in the UK not really having any strong opinions either way.
Rake Aboot
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I know that .
Doesn’t stop it being the reason hunting is views how it is in this country culturally though does it .
Honestly I sometimes thing I should put a little i or an f next to some posts for Irony or Facetiousness
Heym SR20
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The biggest difference is Teddy Roosevelt. He was a hunter and conservationist and lover of wild places.
In the late 1800’s the US just about killed off all of the deer, elk, buffalo and wildfowl within a few short years. Many species had already become extinct - eg the passenger pigeon, or pretty much extinct in large chunks of the US.
Roosevelt as President kick started the US Fish and Wildlife Service and Forest Service, and a fundamental cornerstone of these services was to provide sustainable sources of timber, food and fur from the land.
This lead quickly to strict laws on shooting wild animals with tag / permit systems, with harvest numbers being dictated by good science and understanding of each location. There was a general prohibition on game meat and wildfowl being sold and used as cheap meat to feed to the masses.
The British did similar in their colonies in Africa.
We have never done anything similar in the UK. You don’t back very far to a time when the King owned all the land and if won his favour then you were given lands over which you could extract rents from feudal tenants and serfs. There was very little land owned by private citizens. This really only started changing in Victorian times, and accelerated after the first war when farming tenants bought out their landowners who were struggling from cash.
Access for hunting, shooting for masses was limited. Still is.
In America, France, Germany etc the feudal system was brocken up by revolutions and hunting became a thing ordinary people do to feed themselves and have some fun in the process.
In the UK - certainly don’t want any of the working class to go and forage and get their own food. Rediculous idea what! They need to be chained to their machines and desks working for a wage or salary which is just enough for them to buy all their food from our shops (now supermarkets).
In the late 1800’s the US just about killed off all of the deer, elk, buffalo and wildfowl within a few short years. Many species had already become extinct - eg the passenger pigeon, or pretty much extinct in large chunks of the US.
Roosevelt as President kick started the US Fish and Wildlife Service and Forest Service, and a fundamental cornerstone of these services was to provide sustainable sources of timber, food and fur from the land.
This lead quickly to strict laws on shooting wild animals with tag / permit systems, with harvest numbers being dictated by good science and understanding of each location. There was a general prohibition on game meat and wildfowl being sold and used as cheap meat to feed to the masses.
The British did similar in their colonies in Africa.
We have never done anything similar in the UK. You don’t back very far to a time when the King owned all the land and if won his favour then you were given lands over which you could extract rents from feudal tenants and serfs. There was very little land owned by private citizens. This really only started changing in Victorian times, and accelerated after the first war when farming tenants bought out their landowners who were struggling from cash.
Access for hunting, shooting for masses was limited. Still is.
In America, France, Germany etc the feudal system was brocken up by revolutions and hunting became a thing ordinary people do to feed themselves and have some fun in the process.
In the UK - certainly don’t want any of the working class to go and forage and get their own food. Rediculous idea what! They need to be chained to their machines and desks working for a wage or salary which is just enough for them to buy all their food from our shops (now supermarkets).
