Fully Digital Deer Stalking

So before everyone gets the pitch forks, tar and feathers out this is a discussion piece. I am not advocating for any particular method and I am fully aware that digital technology is very distasteful to some and a necessity to others. I appreciate for traditional highland stalking digital may never be a suitable option and anyone who rocks up to a traditional pony extract type highland hunt with a digital scoped rifle will certainly get an odd look or two.

I think it’s fair to say that the greatest advancements in hunting equipment in the last 10 years have all been digital based. Certain board rooms in Germany and Austria are already taking note and releasing their own digital products. Digital technology has moved on at a pace that firstly reflects society in general and has had a far greater impact on the way we hunt than any other device/system/gadget. With the widespread use of handheld thermal and digital day/night devices I feel that hunting is making a turn away from the traditional glass based hunting of the previous 50-150 years. 10 years ago I started using a handheld thermal and at that time I was certainly in the minority with even other guides not having made the leap then. Fast forward 10 years and I would imagine that the majority of recreational stalkers now have a hand held thermal and that percentage is growing every year.

Up until about 2-3 years ago though very few people were using digital scopes or digital binoculars for stalking. This was because up until devices like the Pulsar C50 or first generation Alpex there wasn’t really a stalker friendly device available to the mainstream. Having owned and used these devices extensively (wild boar and foxes mainly), although they did allow excellent light gathering etc they were certainly lacking in detail particularly during daylight use making them a compromise at best. There wasn’t much chance of being able to spot 308 holes in paper at 100m for instance. Also because at the time of their release there wasn’t a comparable NV spotting device people who stalked with them must have been spotting with a thermal spotter before switching to the NV rifle scope to do the final ID, safety check and shot? I can’t see any other way that this was happening in the first and last 10-15 mins of shooting light when Binos will have been largely useless for most. Now call me traditional but I have always had an issue with using a loaded or even unloaded rifle as a spotting device. Finally these devices like the C50 and first gen Alpex in my mind lacked the detail that a deer stalker really needs. For example both devices along with the Pard DS for that matter lack the definition to really asses the quality of the Roe bucks head gear or in December they don’t allow you to tell if it’s a roe doe or shed buck, which is something I have never struggled with using normal glass. I appreciate that there are other tells but sometimes all you can see of said deer is its head due to the way it’s standing or cover. Something that I take quite seriously in the summer months is roe buck management and making the final assessment of a bucks head gear through the scope on high mag (having already used the Binos to do the leg work) is how I keep the good.

More recently though devices like the HIK Habroks have come into the market. When the first gen 640x480 sensor model come out I was lucky enough to be lent a pair to test. The idea being that they were the next big thing. A spotter, range finder and binoculars all in one item. At the time I tested them a gave an honest review stating that the concept and layout was excellent, but the low res 3.5 mag optical channel was limiting at best. Yes you could tell it was a deer but it was a struggle in any light to determine if the deer was a fallow doe, follower or very poor pricket. As soon as the mag was cranked up a bit the situation to a certain extent didn’t improve as the resolution just wasn’t there. This meant you still needed the Binos and anyone who had tried to carry a pair of thermal binos and normal glass ones at the same time will tell you that it’s a nightmare.

Now in the last 6-12 months HIK in particular have started us down the road that might be the first fully viable deer stalking complete digital solution. With the 4K Alpex and the 4K Habrok Binos there are now products that can give the stalker a complete digital solution should he or she wish. In theory at least. The 4K Alpex has the same light gathering ability that allows shooting from the first and last minutes of shooting light that the old one had but the imagine now is for the first time sufficiently detailed to use instead of glass all the time. Obviously in broad daylight even the cheapest glass stalking scope is going to be better image wise, but the 4K is sufficiently detailed day and night to be in my mind at least an option for a stalking scope. It’s the first digital device that I have been able to see the .308 holes in paper for example when zeroing at 100m. Binocular wise the Habrok 4K with its £1200 price tag is an attractive option and for the first time a viable alternative to binoculars. Optically I have found them during testing more than sufficient for using as a stalking binocular even in daylight out to 300m+ depending on conditions. I have to say though the thermal chanel with its 4.3 base mag drove me insane. Imagine the field of view you would have using kitchen roll tubes to view the world through and this is similar to the thermal spotter Chanel on the Habroks. I have just looked up the figures and the optical FOV is 12m at 100m which when compared to my HIK condor at 22m @100m there is a decent difference. The latest two Habrok 4K devices I haven’t had the opportunity to test as yet, so maybe I will do an update if anyone fancies lending me a set of the nearly £5k 1240 sensor Habrok with the 2.5 base mag thermal? 😉

Apologies for anyone who has endured the last several hundred random words. I have been writing this since early November on and off and every time I pick it up I add another random brain fart or two.

Back in November I decided to give fully digital stalking a go. I put a 4K LRF Alpex on the 308, swapped the glass Binos for a set of the cheaper 4K Habroks. I have to say though after the the first 60 mins running this setup I went back to my truck and retrieved by HIK Condor because of the previously mentioned FOV on the Habroks driving me nuts. So 3 fully digital devices and enough 18650 batteries in my pocket to power Curry’s for 24 hours. It also occurred to me on those first few outings that I was carrying 3 different LRF devices all the time as well!

I carried on with this combination never bothering with any IR devices I might add for the entire of November 2-4 times a week focusing on Fallow does. At first I found the technology did slow things down somewhat, because everything being unfamiliar took a little bit longer to focus or zoom etc. The Alpex for example usually needed changing from 3.5 to 7 mag or 7 mag to 14 mag followed by a focus on the front objective. After decades of just cranking the mag on glass up and down the extra step took some time to get used to. I have found the Habroks with their 25mm objective don’t gather as much light as the Alpex with its 50mm objective, which is understandable. For me because they only really have an additional 5-10mins on standard Binos light wise as opposed to the 10-20 mins the Alpex has and because of their previously mentioned thermal draw backs I found them too clunky. I do feel though that the 60mm £5k version with the 60mm objective, decent thermal and wider 22mm FOV would maybe be a two device solution. For me going from Condor to Habrok to Alpex was just too much digital. Condor to glass to Alpex somehow seemed less clunky. Also 4 less batteries to carry.

Would I go digital all the time? Not yet. I have carried on using my HIK Condor just like before, I have ditched the Habrok and I have left the Alpex 4K on one rifle. I have found that I have on balance taken more fallow with the Alpex than I would normally at this time of year given the increased light gathering etc, but I have also lost a few by taking too long to zoom, focus etc. On balance though there is an increase in productivity. I will most likely switch to glass again in the summer months and I certainly would never guide using a digital scope. Colleagues of mine I know do guide using digital but I prefer for a client to get a more traditional experience when they are paying for a guided stalk.
 
I’ve no objection to anyone using digital and if I had big counts to achieve I’m sure I’d use whatever was most efficient. But, as my day job is starring at a digital screen, I try to keep them to a minimum in the rest of my life. I have a fairly cheap pair of Bushnell binos, but I’m still astounded at the detail I can see through them and I wouldn’t get anywhere near the enjoyment I do from observing deer and other wildlife through a digital version, no matter how good the resolution. Likewise I think with the scope, it would be an unnecessary intermediation in the experience and my secondhand leupold VX5 was probably about the same as a good digital. I don’t have a thermal spotter, but imagine I may get a simple one at some point because I’m always short of time and it’s nice to confirm there is something about to get after. I think the perfect device would be optical LRF binos with a very simple thermal scanner that could be toggled through the binos ocular lenses. You’d get the efficiency of having a thermal, but all the pleasure of optical.
 
I think know that digital is the future. And have said as much before on here.
You just have to look at the stands at the shows which are packed. And of course people will huff and puff on here, but anyone new to stalking (or the majority ) will go straight to a digital rather than conventional glass.

I have got rid of my conventional glass. I didn’t like the Habrooks, because the low res thermal and how far the nv could see. I do a lost of foxing and rabbits as well. But for deer stalking, no issues at all.

I think there are a few additions to come to make things better for digital.
1, sensors will improve, 8k is coming in on tv,s so it will make its way down.
2. Someone will figure out how to focus both the thermal and digital at the same time.
3. As more sells, prices will come down.

Just the way it will be. I have no issue and love my Alpex 4k on my deer stalking rifle and my DNT zulus on my air rifle.

My Leica binos are gone. My swaro is gone. I just need to decide if I buy the newer Habrooks or not.
 
I use a Pulsar C50 during the winter months. Kept the Zeiss for summer stalking.
Bought Habrok 4K last summer and have since sold my Pulsar x38 thermal and Vortex Fury LRF bino's.
Having everything in one bit of kit is a game changer.
 
Why not just stick a rifle on a drone. Send the drone off to the woods and using AI it will find a deer, shoot a deer, extract it back to the larder with the drone carrying it back with a robot then skinning it.

Meanwhile you can sit behind your computer with your AI generated VR girlfriend and never leave the four walls of your little den.
 
Up until lately up here in jockistsn we were not allowed to use electrical imaging devices for deer...
Que law change and I put the dnt zulu onto the .223 T3 ...using my helionxq38 for spotting and the zulu for roe ...you could say I went fully digital for roe in lowland farm scenarios.
No it won't replace that glass pic quality on a summer evening...not yet anyway .
But I can use the same rifle and set up for a roe or longer range bunnies & corvids.....then have a brew back of the motor and use same set up for foxes...just need to carry a couple 18650 batteries

Paul
 
So far I am absolutely loving my Habrok 4k. Yes, the base mag is high but so far it's not bothering me as much as I thought it might. Maybe the price tag of the pro models is making me blind to it.

The condensing of my carry kit has been a joy, and the instant switch between optical and thermal is worth an awful lot of tradeoffs.

I've yet to go digital on my deer scope, but that's mostly down to weight. I've a reasonably chunky Tikka CTR .308 and I don't want to make it any heavier. My GPO Spectra has accounted for all my deer so far, and I do love its clarity. It's only 15x at max zoom though so I'm using my Habrok for everything apart from aim and fire.

I've gone digital on my foxing .223 (Zulus) and it's great having an all in one package. I suppose that's the thing about digital, it brings multiple things together into one package that analogue can't.
 
Big zulu fan here ....it won't add anything extra a glass scope would to a chunky set up ....

Haven't used or know nowt about habroks ..be keen to get a look thru a set
 
Why not just stick a rifle on a drone. Send the drone off to the woods and using AI it will find a deer, shoot a deer, extract it back to the larder with the drone carrying it back with a robot then skinning it.

Meanwhile you can sit behind your computer with your AI generated VR girlfriend and never leave the four walls of your little den.
There is a time and place for different stuff (glass, digital or thermal). It was hard to leave all the tech behind when I went to Scotland in October but I was glad I did when I got my first hill royal stag the hard way Without thermal or a digital scope.
But for my day job culling fallow does I will take one of your drones please.
Some people think it's strange that I can do culling as a job then pay to do other stalking. It just shows how varied stalking can be.
 
I have limited experience of digital, my last stalking trip my guide had thermal range finding binos and they were brilliant. They put me on deer and it was a very successful trip.
However it did change the style of stalking. You still have to stalk nearer and get in a shooting position ofcourse but the speed is increased and skill of stalking I personally felt was reduced. A quick scan,nothing seen and then walk not stalk to new position and repeat, not the slow careful quiet as possible stalking glassing as you go traditional methods my mentor taught me looking for bits of deer showing in woodland, methodical glassing in from the margins.
I did shoot deer and filled my freezer and had a very good experience. Numbers needed reducing and they were.
I have this niggle digital can reduce the traditional stalking observational skills.
That said I have a range finder and just got night vision for pest control and very pleased with it.
Times change and you can't stop progress and its horses for courses. I like glass and traditional methods.
 
For me its the difference between doing it for enjoyment and doing it as a job therefore I see both sides of the argument.

If you need to get numbers down then anything that makes the job more efficient and easier is a no brainer.

If you enjoy the challenge, and buzz, and that comes through using "traditional" methods then carry on the way you are.

Personally I much prefer to see what I'm shooting through a nice traditional optic (I have a Swarovski Z6I 5-30 x 50) however if its the last 15 mins of legal light and I'm struggling to pick precise shot placement with a traditional scope then thath's where I wish I had the rifle with NV/thermal. I do however always use a thermal spotter.
 
One of the nicest little pleasures to be had from stalking is knowing that all that fancy kit is available to boost your chances of success and then opting not to use it.
Indeed. I quite like stalking ‘alpine’ style, ie bare essentials only.
It’s so tempting to sill up bags with kit, but equally liberating when it’s just you, a rifle, sticks and a knife (and binos if I haven’t forgotten them!)
 
People tend to talk a lot about digital tools removing the skill from deer stalking. They are probably correct to a large extent.

However, utilising skill is not necessarily the only reason for going deer stalking. Personally, I am most interested in results. That applies to other aspects of my life as well as deer. I get immense satisfaction from formulating a cull plan and executing it. I also really enjoy simply being out watching deer without shooting them. The concepts seem mutually exclusive, but they are not. Time and place is all.

So - yes, removing the skill required could be a consequence of adopting more digital tools. But that isn't a bad thing in itself in my view.
 
Sorry, the same topic but a little off piste.

I keep looking at digital for my ratting needs on an air rifle but as you have noted the image quality degrades so much as you mag up that in the past it made the choice for me piont less and I currently use a tube NV on the back of a high end optic, which works great but can be cumbersome and I tend to hide from the light.

So, is the Alpek 4K capable of comfortably seeing a rat at 100m’s when it’s poking its head out of a hole?

Cheers
 
People tend to talk a lot about digital tools removing the skill from deer stalking. They are probably correct to a large extent.

However, utilising skill is not necessarily the only reason for going deer stalking. Personally, I am most interested in results. That applies to other aspects of my life as well as deer. I get immense satisfaction from formulating a cull plan and executing it. I also really enjoy simply being out watching deer without shooting them. The concepts seem mutually exclusive, but they are not. Time and place is all.

So - yes, removing the skill required could be a consequence of adopting more digital tools. But that isn't a bad thing in itself in my view.
I think it all depends on your aims.
If it’s to stalk deer in as traditional manner as possible, then not using digital optics makes complete sense (this is my approach and viewpoint 80-90% of the time) but if you have cull numbers to hit then I can completely understand the switch.
I probably will put a day/night scope onto my 308 but will leave glass on my other two, just for the sake of variety!!
 
The next step in stalking technology will be using thermal drones, not just for deer counts but to find out where the deer are and stalk into or try and drive them towards posts/highseats.
Seems far fetched but may already be happening....
I have heard that in the States/Canada when flying in with a seaplane you are not allowed to hunt the same day, so not to have an advantage for game location.
I imagine that this only relates to big game?
The ethical boundaries get cloudier and cloudier the more technology we embrace 🤔
 
For strict culling work, where numbers count then I am fully digital. Alpex 4k and HE25’s.

The Alpex I can’t really fault, I personally find the daylight image good enough, I would happily take it on the hill, although this isn’t its strongest suit. In low light it is superb. I have spoken to a few who really can’t get on with them, but personally I think it’s a valuable tool. The only downside is the weight, which is significant.

The Habroks are really good, but as pointed out would be so much better with lower mag on the thermal channel. However….the pluses outweigh the minuses, the ability to have a ‘all in one’ package at that price point is frankly barmy.

When I stalk for pure sport I have an old wooden stocked rifle with a 4x32, and 8x42 binoculars. Horses for courses. A glass scope will always win in broad daylight, and reliability. I wouldn’t make the switch fully-I have 4 stalking rifles and 3 wear glass however the first one out of the cabinet wears the 4k.
 
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