Approved witness payment
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Foxyboy43
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That to me is the problem - a system which depends on goodwill is ultimately doomed to fail - especially when the persons providing the said goodwill have to pay money to continue doing so….
Ok, fair enough, but if you're not prepared to dig out the info then don't make sweeping generalisations about it.
It’s a bit of an issue - the candidates - like me - have paid good money to register and yet it looks like it’s going off the rails, so do we switch and just ask for a refund or lose out if many/ most of the AW’s disappear?
Perhaps it was a strategic move to get rid of a lot of the old dinosaurs who've rather dominated the AW scene with their outdated methods and practices, and make way for some new blood to come into the system?
David Barker
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sikamalc
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What ones that taught many there now. New blood my arse.Perhaps it was a strategic move to get rid of a lot of the old dinosaurs who've rather dominated the AW scene with their outdated methods and practices, and make way for some new blood to come into the system?
Nothings really changed. DMQ have only tonight thought about GDP. Let alone the disability act, that they totally forgot when they bought Level one out.
The only dinosaurs are those that first thought it up.
I have no doubt none of them have managed and shot Reds on a 44,460 acres for 2 years in the Highlands. Which I've done before they employed local people.
Along with many other big estates over my professional life.
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While I agree that introducing a fee for AWs, who often give their time for free, is pretty outrageous, it does sadden me to see so much petty jealousy in the stalking world.
As someone who's taught skills to many people, I'm always delighted when they go on to exceed what I've been able to achieve. Being able to step aside and see your former pupils become teachers is one of the greatest senses of satisfaction you'll ever experience.
Stalker62
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Oh dear, (or should that be 'Oh deer"),
I grow old.
Perhaps more germane, I grow weary. As all old men, (sexist), must: we all of us grow old.
I try (truly I do), to not be 'that bloke'...
"It was better in my day".
"You youngsters don't know the meaning of hunger".
"If it wasn't for my generation, you would all be speaking German (insert your own prejudice if you feel slighted)."
However.
With age, comes certain entitlements. I can moan like a bastard if I want, and I will dish out advice (un-asked for) ad nauseam.
Yeah. Sometimes growing old, comes with advantages - you get to rant; and everyone gets to listen.
I am saddened.
Saddened about how the world is.
Generally saddened.
Big stuff going on in the world. We all (most of us - well some of us) have heard, read the news. Big stuff is always going on in the world. Big stuff, has always gone on. Ask your Grandparents - they will tell you. All of it depressing.
Now: back to the thread.
DMQ.
FFS!
I did my DSCI, and DSCII back in the Dark Ages. It was the hardest (DSCII) thing, I have ever done. It was the best thing I have ever done. It is the 'certificate' (and I have a few), which means the most to me. It means something.
Just so happens, I did all of my (three) culls on the Sika. It took nearly three years, with a man whom I grew to know, and much admire. I met him again this year on Rannoch Moor. Adam, if you are reading this (you won't be), I doff my cap to you. It was a journey; and I suspect it was painful for us both. However, at least you did not have to pay for the privilege of taking me under your wing. Nor should you.
I learned so much more that deer.
Spoiler alert.
If you are happy with the way the DMQ has 'evolved', then look away now...you will not like what is coming.
You still reading?
Then don't moan about what happens next.
DMQ. Society. Is in a race to the bottom...
Social media is not blameless.
I know SD is also 'social media' - although recent posts ("Ethical Ranges") may suggest it is actually 'anti-social media'.
Young 'Bucks' measuring their 'di@@s', antis infiltrating the site, or maybe, just "Big Brother" and his 'Bot"...
Who knows?
Perhaps more importantly, 'Who cares?'
Still. Too much doom and gloom is no good for anyone - so let me lift the mood.
I recently picked up a rather splendid addition to my 'Black Power' arsenal.
They don't make them anymore, so nice to get my sticky little paws on one...
Whilst this post, may appear a wee bit depressing (because it actually is), this rather clever VRM made me smile on my way home this week...
So perhaps life is not so bad?
Perhaps you just need to get the right prescription from your optician...
Just the thoughts of an angry old man. Angry about being old; and angry about how the world seems to be collapsing in on itself, (it has always been collapsing in on itself), as he (you, everyone), looks helplessly on...
I grow old.
Perhaps more germane, I grow weary. As all old men, (sexist), must: we all of us grow old.
I try (truly I do), to not be 'that bloke'...
"It was better in my day".
"You youngsters don't know the meaning of hunger".
"If it wasn't for my generation, you would all be speaking German (insert your own prejudice if you feel slighted)."
However.
With age, comes certain entitlements. I can moan like a bastard if I want, and I will dish out advice (un-asked for) ad nauseam.
Yeah. Sometimes growing old, comes with advantages - you get to rant; and everyone gets to listen.
I am saddened.
Saddened about how the world is.
Generally saddened.
Big stuff going on in the world. We all (most of us - well some of us) have heard, read the news. Big stuff is always going on in the world. Big stuff, has always gone on. Ask your Grandparents - they will tell you. All of it depressing.
Now: back to the thread.
DMQ.
FFS!
I did my DSCI, and DSCII back in the Dark Ages. It was the hardest (DSCII) thing, I have ever done. It was the best thing I have ever done. It is the 'certificate' (and I have a few), which means the most to me. It means something.
Just so happens, I did all of my (three) culls on the Sika. It took nearly three years, with a man whom I grew to know, and much admire. I met him again this year on Rannoch Moor. Adam, if you are reading this (you won't be), I doff my cap to you. It was a journey; and I suspect it was painful for us both. However, at least you did not have to pay for the privilege of taking me under your wing. Nor should you.
I learned so much more that deer.
Spoiler alert.
If you are happy with the way the DMQ has 'evolved', then look away now...you will not like what is coming.
You still reading?
Then don't moan about what happens next.
DMQ. Society. Is in a race to the bottom...
Social media is not blameless.
I know SD is also 'social media' - although recent posts ("Ethical Ranges") may suggest it is actually 'anti-social media'.
Young 'Bucks' measuring their 'di@@s', antis infiltrating the site, or maybe, just "Big Brother" and his 'Bot"...
Who knows?
Perhaps more importantly, 'Who cares?'
Still. Too much doom and gloom is no good for anyone - so let me lift the mood.
I recently picked up a rather splendid addition to my 'Black Power' arsenal.
They don't make them anymore, so nice to get my sticky little paws on one...
Whilst this post, may appear a wee bit depressing (because it actually is), this rather clever VRM made me smile on my way home this week...
So perhaps life is not so bad?
Perhaps you just need to get the right prescription from your optician...
Just the thoughts of an angry old man. Angry about being old; and angry about how the world seems to be collapsing in on itself, (it has always been collapsing in on itself), as he (you, everyone), looks helplessly on...
I don't know why AWs generally don't charge
I charge people when assessing them for paddle sport instructor or mountain leader why wouldn't I since I need insurance and membership and my own assessment and validation costs
Because you possibly do it as a living?
I gave up paddlesport coaching as a volunteer due to the additional hoops and cost to keep my qualifications valid.
BC (if thats what its current name is) as you will know now charge for the privilege of running their coaching and higher level training courses.
What was 30 years ago a recreational qualification, proving competence, has been overtaken by commercial / work focused activities, which is the way shooting and stalking are going.
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Many (maybe most) AWs do charge, after a fashion - but I think mainly they charge for the outing, rather than the witnessing. Ie. They charge a guiding fee, with little or no difference between a normal guided stalk and a witnessed stalk.
If DMQ actually provided something in return, then maybe we’d be more willing to pay this subscription. CPD, insurance, support, etc - like any other professional standards organisation. But they don’t. It really is just a pyramid scheme.
Overlay
Well-Known Member
Generally to start off a while back field sport training was generally passed down via parents or friends who shoot in any discipline and offered without any thought for a payment perhaps a pint or breakfast was suffice, then qualifications came along and it started to gradually change with the new outlook on training particular to stalking and the rush to put DSC 2 to one stalked allowed the cash cow to develop to what is now a money generator for some but not all. The DMQ have now jumped on the band wagon and decided to charge an AW for doing something on their behalf of which DMQ all the Aw’s I know and me included don’t charge and asking for someone to pay and not wanting or getting anything out of it nothing short of greed on the part of DMQ ( they’ve not offered an explanation) and it’s no wonder there are Brilliant AW’s calling it a day, the demise of the three stalks was really just a confirmation of money making plans from a willing audience the DMQ grabbed with glee and both hands, what will happen when the AW’s jump ship to other providers of training for deer stalking it will be crap all round and continually watered down
BDS and BASC will see a dramatic decline in membership what with the NRA pushing BSRC out of Bisley as well You’ll need a good reason to join any of these three again
It’s very frustrating and saddening that right now there is a lot of people thinking are any these 3 worth supporting - that could be the final nail in the coffin for sporting shooting, government don’t like shooting, it’s breaking it down bit by bit very sad indeed
devon deer stalker
Well-Known Member
What a ridiculous statement.Perhaps it was a strategic move to get rid of a lot of the old dinosaurs who've rather dominated the AW scene with their outdated methods and practices, and make way for some new blood to come into the system?
When I did my DSC2 I went searching for an AW, most offered it free of charge, all I had to do was pay for the outing fee to cover their time, and any deer shot, more than fair.
I found my AW, travelled to Norfolk to complete it, just cost me a breakfast, the AW was many years my junior, in fact I think he is still in his 40's, I wouldn't consider him 'an old dinosaur', but it could be levelled at me in my 60's!
This fee is an insult to the AW's and the DMQ will live to regret it.
Oh, by the way, my AW was @Norfolk Deer Search
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