An American perspective.

Really?
You invaded Ireland and claimed it for your own.
It may be something of a technicality, but being invited by the Irish is not quite the same thing.
Did you ever hear of Clive of India?
Yes. Not an employee of Britain. Unlike an Irishman who succeeded him.
How about Cecil Rhodes?
Not an employee of the UK
British East Africa?
Your point being that the natives of that area preferred the status quo ante where they were continually raided and trafficked across the Arabian Sea as slaves by the Sultanate of Zanzibar?
Your country has supported the wholesale privatisation and annexation of independent territories by force of arms for centuries.
Make your mind up, either it was wrong that we supported privatising them (you object to the private ownership of land and property and are a communist?), or wrong to have annexed them (that they would have been better left to their private owners)? Very little of the British Empire was acquired by force of arms, except when taken off other European powers ...e.g. Gibraltar.
The unfashionable fact is that in most cases the British were an improvement on the alternatives.
You also claimed all of the continent of North America for yourselves until the residents of the southern portion rebelled and threw you out.
No we didn't, and they didn't. Where did you learn or invent this ...er....collection of opinions?
And you called me “ dumb “?
I don't remember calling you "dumb" but I won't dispute your qualification.
 
Perhaps, but it is true.
There are episodes in the history of most nations that are not particularly pleasant to recall.
Britain has had a large footprint for a long time so has a few more skeletons in the cupboard than most other nations.
Some seem to have very selective memories, a very poor education or possibly both.
Someone certainly has a selective memory on expansionism. Ireland having spent much of the late twentieth century trying to acquire part of the UK by force and perhaps maintaining an expansionist claim in its constitution?
 
Perhaps, but it is true.
There are episodes in the history of most nations that are not particularly pleasant to recall.
Britain has had a large footprint for a long time so has a few more skeletons in the cupboard than most other nations.
Some seem to have very selective memories, a very poor education or possibly both.
Dont forget Big Daddy Idi Amin,he was a half Pom wasn't he? No? Well anyway he loved the Queen lol.
 
It may be something of a technicality, but being invited by the Irish is not quite the same thing.

Yes. Not an employee of Britain. Unlike an Irishman who succeeded him.

Not an employee of the UK

Your point being that the natives of that area preferred the status quo ante where they were continually raided and trafficked across the Arabian Sea as slaves by the Sultanate of Zanzibar?

Make your mind up, either it was wrong that we supported privatising them (you object to the private ownership of land and property and are a communist?), or wrong to have annexed them (that they would have been better left to their private owners)? Very little of the British Empire was acquired by force of arms, except when taken off other European powers ...e.g. Gibraltar.
The unfashionable fact is that in most cases the British were an improvement on the alternatives.

No we didn't, and they didn't. Where did you learn or invent this ...er....collection of opinions?

I don't remember calling you "dumb" but I won't dispute your qualification.
The word you used repeatedly was “ thick”.
You also indulged yourself with racial slurs.
 
Someone certainly has a selective memory on expansionism. Ireland having spent much of the late twentieth century trying to acquire part of the UK by force and perhaps maintaining an expansionist claim in its constitution?
The island of Ireland has always been considered a single entity. 32 counties.
Britain divided it in 1922 ( I think) creating NI , dividing it legislatively from the rest of the island and maintains that division to this day . You set up the border and you refuse to reconvene the border commission to review the boundary despite your signed agreement to do so.
We have spent 600 years defending our independence and disputing Britains right to sovereignty in our country.
We have never claimed sovereignty over any part of the UK outside our own island.
(Except for Rockall. And we have ceded that claim.)
You are obviously not well informed about your own history. Don’t try telling me that it is Irish history and irrelevant.
You have been claiming sovereignty over the whole territory for 600 years and you are still claiming sovereignty over NI.
Our history is yours.
Are/were you a schoolteacher?
 
The word you used repeatedly was “ thick”.
What I said was that I didn't believe there was a significant difference, it was you who believed that there was a such a great difference as to make you thick. I have to admit I've seen little evidence you were wrong though.
You also indulged yourself with racial slurs.
I certainly did not. I am confident in this because not only am I not generally in the habit of using racial slurs but I am particularly not in the habit of using racial slurs against myself.
 
What I said was that I didn't believe there was a significant difference, it was you who believed that there was a such a great difference as to make you thick. I have to admit I've seen little evidence you were wrong though.

I certainly did not. I am confident in this because not only am I not generally in the habit of using racial slurs but I am particularly not in the habit of using racial slurs against myself.
You actually did use racially abusive language, and now you are trying to deflect attention from your lack of knowledge of your own history.
This is you



I’m the one looking down on your torso .
Go troll someone else, you need the practice.
Finally, are you now, or have you ever been, a schoolteacher?
I’m betting yes.
 
Perhaps, but it is true.
There are episodes in the history of most nations that are not particularly pleasant to recall.
Britain has had a large footprint for a long time so has a few more skeletons in the cupboard than most other nations.
Some seem to have very selective memories, a very poor education or possibly both.
If you want to point fingers point it to the West over that big bit of water, on a separate note Dad took me fishing from Fenit 2 years running 72/73 we never went again as the comments by the young locals in the pub/b&b made him not go for a third trip, 2 builder friends took our space on the boat with the landlord knocking on their room saying " I have called a taxi, send me a cheque for the room and go out the window as they want blood"
They took their passports and what they stood up in down a drain pipe in the taxi to Shannon APT and never went back.
So you can poke you comments as they just wanted to go fishing 🤫
I was 11 at the time so just a child and subject to that.
 
The island of Ireland has always been considered a single entity. 32 counties.
No it hasn't, as you know.
Britain divided it in 1922 ( I think) creating NI , dividing it legislatively from the rest of the island and maintains that division to this day .
I have an inkling that the Irish government might also be involved in maintaining this division from the rest of the British Isles.
You set up the border and you refuse to reconvene the border commission to review the boundary despite your signed agreement to do so.
We have spent 600 years defending our independence and disputing Britains right to sovereignty in our country.
We have never claimed sovereignty over any part of the UK outside our own island.
...except for Northern Ireland.
(Except for Rockall. And we have ceded that claim.)
You are obviously not well informed about your own history.
My English or my Irish history? In either case, there's apparently little to be learned from you.
Don’t try telling me that it is Irish history and irrelevant.
You have been claiming sovereignty over the whole territory for 600 years
Which was acquired by treaty. And as you often like to say in other contexts, you can't row back on a treaty - it's legally binding.
and you are still claiming sovereignty over NI.
Quite correctly and democratically.
Our history is yours.
I know that.
Are/were you a schoolteacher?
What on earth is the relevance of this question?
 
You actually did use racially abusive language
I categorically did not, and if I were in your shoes and perhaps a touch brighter, I'd tend to avoid making libellous claims.
, and now you are trying to deflect attention from your lack of knowledge of your own history.
Well, so far all that has been revealed is that you don't know what you're talking about. I'm certainly learning no history from you, and I don't really feel the need for a crash course in puerile Irish nationalist propaganda.
This is you



I’m the one looking down on your torso .
Go troll someone else, you need the practice.

Are you an adult?
Finally, are you now, or have you ever been, a schoolteacher?
I’m betting yes.
OK, I'm not much of a betting man. What are the stakes?
 
I do love a good derailing lol . We went from trying to recruit new hunters to the above in less than 10 posts . I think that's a new record .

AB
someone could research the threads and see which derailed the quickest. I`m willing to bet that there are some derailed in 3 posts...or less.
 
If you want to point fingers point it to the West over that big bit of water, on a separate note Dad took me fishing from Fenit 2 years running 72/73 we never went again as the comments by the young locals in the pub/b&b made him not go for a third trip, 2 builder friends took our space on the boat with the landlord knocking on their room saying " I have called a taxi, send me a cheque for the room and go out the window as they want blood"
They took their passports and what they stood up in down a drain pipe in the taxi to Shannon APT and never went back.
So you can poke you comments as they just wanted to go fishing 🤫
I was 11 at the time so just a child and subject to that.
You appear to have got caught up in the post Bloody Sunday frenzy.
Apologies, it shouldn’t have happened.
 
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