Banning Trail Hunting - impact on Deer recovery?

[Bo Diddley]

Yes. I agree. And the same "arrogant attitude" I've seen on the game field (in England) where the call goes out that "There may be duck so non-lead please unless you are taking it home." Despite all use on duck in England being long unlawful.

The law may be an ass but the law is the law. And as we see with Starmer's intent failure to comply has consequences.

Those consequences being that both attitudes have now brought us to this proposed trail hunting ban and to the lead shot ban extending across the board through a belief that had there been a clay pigeon exemption some would have used cartridges loaded for such on live quarry.

As I wrote here long ago when the Blair ban came in people follow hounds for three reasons.

For the frivolities and fornication that accompany it - the social side, the hunt ball and etc., for the the ride across country, or to see hounds work. All three could have continued without the fox with trails laid. Indeed in an increasingly urbanised countryside could have been better done with a trail to give longer "points". None of these if hunting a trail require terrier men.

But the "arrogant attitude" prevailed for the past decade plus and a newly elected government has lost patience.

Can't argue with that. ^^^
Even though I enjoy hunting with dogs.

 

[Greenmist]

Can't argue with that. ^^^
Even though I enjoy hunting with dogs.

Biggest threat to foxhunting, foxhunters

 

[Ratel]

Both are red herrings. What these activists actually want is to expropriate (steal) the property of rural dwellers, whole landscapes, and have it controlled by a quango, which purely coincidentally thennemploys the same individuals on large salaries.

This is really why.you've had these Guardian reading clots acting as useful idiots for the likes of Shrubsole, Monbiot etc. out creating trouble on Dartmoor, Berry Pomeroy etc. and what some of the mass of "environmental" levies you pay on everything is for.
They want a less violent Zimbabwe style land reform with them in charge but without them holding any actual responsibility, risk or costs for the consequences. That's what the taxpayer is for.

Fabians!!!

 

[Siggy]

The problem is a group of people, now in a democratic majority want to take the right to hunt away from people and give it to animals. it is questionable as to whether animals can have rights so really what is happening is rights are being given to people who claim that they represent those animals.

Personally I think it is wrong to force opinions on someone else, but unfortunately the animal rights movement considers the fox to be a more persecuted minority than hunters, and I am sad to say, we are loosing agains the tide of (majority) public opinion

 

[SikaSeeker]

There should be strike action by all disciplines of hunters, no foxes should be shot or killed if they ban trail hunting. Then see what happens?

 

[palmer_mike]

There should be strike action by all disciplines of hunters, no foxes should be shot or killed if they ban trail hunting. Then see what happens?

Solidarity eh?

 

[Greenmist]

Then see what happens?

They'll win, thats all that matters, animal welfare has nothing to do with it so why will they care

 

[timbrayford]

Latest leftie propaganda stunt from the BBC: Home - BBC News
Nothing unusual about Attenborough being filmed with wildlife but just when Labour have dug up the fox hunting issue all over again we have cute cuddly urban fox cubs filmed, probably 6 months or more ago, appearing with him on their news feed

 

[OllieF]

‘The New Hunting Ban’ lobby group, which is creating a lot of noise and is supported by a number of MP’s has published a report setting out what it considers the gold standard to be in terms of tightening existing legislation. This includes banning the use of dogs in stalking.

The Government’s Animal Welfare Strategy for England policy paper published last month only makes reference to trail hunting, but no doubt the antis will push to remove other forms of exempt hunting under the 2004 Act when the consultation is launched.

Appeasement and hoping to be left alone will not work. Everyone needs to lobby their MP’s and respond to the consultation when it’s launched. If hunting is lost, your sport might be next. Those who obsessively campaign against hunting won’t hang up their boots and retire.

 

[shakey jake]

‘The New Hunting Ban’ lobby group, which is creating a lot of noise and is supported by a number of MP’s has published a report setting out what it considers the gold standard to be in terms of tightening existing legislation. This includes banning the use of dogs in stalking.

The Government’s Animal Welfare Strategy for England policy paper published last month only makes reference to trail hunting, but no doubt the antis will push to remove other forms of exempt hunting under the 2004 Act when the consultation is launched.

Appeasement and hoping to be left alone will not work. Everyone needs to lobby their MP’s and respond to the consultation when it’s launched. If hunting is lost, your sport might be next. Those who obsessively campaign against hunting won’t hang up their boots and retire.

That is a scary read

 

[shakey jake]

This will affect the entire shooting community, but be completely unpoliceable. What a massive waste of parliament time

 

[Jon P]

‘The New Hunting Ban’ lobby group, which is creating a lot of noise and is supported by a number of MP’s has published a report setting out what it considers the gold standard to be in terms of tightening existing legislation. This includes banning the use of dogs in stalking.

The Government’s Animal Welfare Strategy for England policy paper published last month only makes reference to trail hunting, but no doubt the antis will push to remove other forms of exempt hunting under the 2004 Act when the consultation is launched.

Appeasement and hoping to be left alone will not work. Everyone needs to lobby their MP’s and respond to the consultation when it’s launched. If hunting is lost, your sport might be next. Those who obsessively campaign against hunting won’t hang up their boots and retire.

That would be a large piece of legislation to discuss ( if done correctly). It would probably run out of parliamentary time. They will add lots to a proposed act knowing it will have to be a compromise somewhere and reduce it to what they actually wanted in the first place. But we will see as nothing guaranteed with this lot.