.243 to .223, purely for fox 🤔

[Smellydog]

CAN be deadly

But often isn't!
Driving my car is far more deadly but often isn't.

Maybe we should be kept in padded cells to protect ourselves from ourselves no wait...What's the padding made of?

 

[seedawood]

I never said you said they are in decline.

My statement is based on my grounds.

The birds of pray don't eat my dead foxes, including buzzard.
My statement referred to other birds of prey. Which I also have not seen them eating my dead fox's.

All the species of BOP and raven on my land their population is rising and non are found suffering from lead poisoning.

It's a farcical fear mongering whim to cause panic, fear and disruption to ultimately go on to cause legislation against us the shooting fraternity.
Decades of far left brain washing activists have caused the average British public thicko to sway to a socialism / communistic mindset whereupon any minority group can be targeted and trampled on with impunity.
Targeted/ narrative led questions and pseudo science gets the leftist hidden establishment the answers they seek and use.
Good day.

Conversation overheard at 'Raptor reintroductions 'R'us':
"Ohh! That nice mister Smellydog has gone on record on a public forum saying he leaves lead shot foxes lying around on his land but it's alright because he has never seen a bird of prey eating one. All we have to do now is provide evidence of a raptor eating a dead fox and we've got them!"
"Yes, isn't it amazing how keen they are to do our job for us. I mean look at all the ones who have written that they will keep using lead bullets because they don't believe the science, what government scientist wouldn't ask for a complete ban after seeing that?"

 

[Smellydog]

Conversation overheard at 'Raptor reintroductions 'R'us':
"Ohh! That nice mister Smellydog has gone on record on a public forum saying he leaves lead shot foxes lying around on his land but it's alright because he has never seen a bird of prey eating one. All we have to do now is provide evidence of a raptor eating a dead fox and we've got them!"
"Yes, isn't it amazing how keen they are to do our job for us. I mean look at all the ones who have written that they will keep using lead bullets because they don't believe the science, what government scientist wouldn't ask for a complete ban after seeing that?"

So you also believe freedom of speech should be hindered because you fear the tyrannical political system you and many others have voted for.
Go figure.

If the vegans want to do as you say it could if not already of been fabricated so.

I don't fear, I give even.

 

[RCS Deer Management]

But often isn't!
Driving my car is far more deadly but often isn't.

Maybe we should be kept in padded cells to protect ourselves from ourselves no wait...What's the padding made of?

Again I agree. As stated before, my argument is about us making sure that we are completely correct with our arguments. My point is that whilst your general argument is often correct you then weaken it by throwing in an incorrect point that can be proven wrong and therefore ruin your whole argument. I was trying to make the point that as a shooting community we should make sure that we stick to facts as much as possible.

 

[Smellydog]

Again I agree. As stated before, my argument is about us making sure that we are completely correct with our arguments. My point is that whilst your general argument is often correct you then weaken it by throwing in an incorrect point that can be proven wrong and therefore ruin your whole argument. I was trying to make the point that as a shooting community we should make sure that we stick to facts as much as possible.

Agreed. There will always be a rant element from me as long as I believe there is an injustice being played out at mine, and yours, cost.

 

[Heym SR20]

@seedawood - A quick google search of eagles eating foxes will bring up a number of different articles showing that golden and sea eagles have been found to have remains of foxes in their nest.

Eagles are perfectly capable of catching, killing and carrying foxes back to nests. They are are also big carrion eaters. Rather than expending lots of energy carrying a fox, they would probably just eat it where it lies, fill up their crop and fly back with a crop full for their chicks.

 

[Chris Richardson]

@seedawood - A quick google search of eagles eating foxes will bring up a number of different articles showing that golden and sea eagles have been found to have remains of foxes in their nest.

Eagles are perfectly capable of catching, killing and carrying foxes back to nests. They are are also big carrion eaters. Rather than expending lots of energy carrying a fox, they would probably just eat it where it lies, fill up their crop and fly back with a crop full for their chicks.

Can’t help but notice you still refuse to answer questions you don’t like

 

[hendrix's rifle]

55g vmax or 53g vmax if you can find them, won't bother mentioning the 50g blitzkings

All will kill fox wayyyyy past 300. If it were legal using a 223 for all deer, I'd still have one

 

[UpNorthMI]

I came down from a .243 with 60 grain Sierra varminter bullets #1500 to a .223 for foxes. The .243 was super effective and accurate but did have a bit of a blast. The .223 with 55 or 60 grain bullets works well for me, a lot less blast. Using a Tikka T3X with 1:8" twist.

You may get a little more wind drift with the .223 but I tend to be shooting under 200 yards.

 

[Sika98k]

Are you seeing a drop in numbers ?

Nope, as numerous as ever.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Nope, as numerous as ever.

Odd isn’t it seeing how deadly poisonous lead apparently is ….

 

[njc110381]

Why bother? I'd be trying the lightweight Yew Tree copper offering, it's only 50something grains I think.

 

[7Miller]

The 7-08 is a great calibre I’ve had two now and would t be without one , out of interest if youre not worried about BOP earring lead shot foxes doesn’t that prove the whole copper argument a bit null and void ?

Foxes I shoot get put deep into bramble rather than left exposed. The only reason I'm going to be using copper in the 7mm-08 is because it will be law. That's the only reason, or I wouldn't entertain changing from what I've always used and trusted

 

[salopsniper]

I went .22-250 with a 1:12 barrel to shot 53gr VMAX rather than .243 as I don’t want to shoot non toxic on fox and it should perform better than .223 in windy conditions, it’s just noisier but in the OP’s location of the Welsh hills it shouldn’t be much of an issue.

ATB
Matt

 

[farrieral]

I went .22-250 with a 1:12 barrel to shot 53gr VMAX rather than .243 as I don’t want to shoot non toxic on fox and it should perform better than .223 in windy conditions, it’s just noisier but in the OP’s location of the Welsh hills it shouldn’t be much of an issue.

ATB
Matt

Good info, I have also been looking at 22.250 for a bit more "poke"

I am yet to decide!

 

[One on top of two]

For a dedicated fox rife i would only go .223 or 22-250 nowadays , lots of ammo options for both. Very easy to reload for , lots of factory ammo and everyone stocks it . If you do decide to sell it or trade up , there two chambering that will have a good chance of getting rid of easier than most. And your not have to ponce about with lead free at least to the foreseeable
I personally use a 22-250 .

 

[farrieral]

For a dedicated fox rife i would only go .223 or 22-250 nowadays , lots of ammo options for both. Very easy to reload for , lots of factory ammo and everyone stocks it . If you do decide to sell it or trade up , there two chambering that will have a good chance of getting rid of easier than most. And your not have to ponce about with lead free at least to the foreseeable
I personally use a 22-250 .

This is the idea behind it, I am lucky to have a lot of foxing perms and shoot a reasonable amount each year. Farmers also like the covids shot, I decoy where I can but quite often pick them off at range with a rifle, good conformation of DOPE!

I've seen my local RFD has a new Tikka Roughtech Emerald 22.250 in which I'd likely go for... not too worried about barrel life.

 

[Strike]

All the foxes I shoot and not one of them has been consumed by a bird of prey.
Anyone saying the birds of prey eat fox is wrong.
Most birds leave them alone.


Next they will be saying the lead on my roof and theirs is harming wildlife and the roof has to come down despite there being no actual proof just theoretical bull**** FFS, talk about the enemy within!
Only last year the idiot had photos of his lead lined vice jaws and used lead cored bullets in a rifle he built up! You couldn't make it up!
Oh and let's not forget he enjoys a fat pension from the tobacco industry.
Opinion null and void I think!

I've seen Magpies, Ravens, and Buzzards feeding on foxes. So many that when the ground it wet the surrounding mud worked up by their traffic, is easier to spot than the fox.

 

[Smellydog]

I've seen Magpies, Ravens, and Buzzards feeding on foxes. So many that when the ground it wet the surrounding mud worked up by their traffic, is easier to spot than the fox.

Yes ok. How many have shown symptoms of lead poisoning?

 

[Strike]

Yes ok. How many have shown symptoms of lead poisoning? Ee

I would have absolutely no idea, much like anyone else.

However I believe there must be some truth in lead effecting the fertility of birds of prey if not actually killing them.
I come to believe this because I have customers willing to pay silly money for Rabbits and Squirrels that are shot with non toxic bullets and pellets.
Half a dozen to 8, full grown whole Rabbits bring as much as a Roe Doe will from a game dealer.
I don't know if these customers are just being overly careful or not. They tell me any lead fed to their birds would be catastrophic.
Who am I to question their knowledge on the keeping, and breeding of birds of prey.
It's all good business for me.