THE BOW HUNTER

[Rafter]

In NZ also the US "avid hunters" your hands are tied much more than ours with a quick search on the restrictions in NZ and venison which compared to the UK is "crap"

Speaking from NZ, WTF are you talking about?
You are usually full of it, but in this thread you have managed to outdo yourself.
Speaking as someone who can shoot any number of any species at any time of the year without kissing the ar5e of the local constabulary.... please sir, can I have another 50 bullets?
Take a good look at yourself, and shut the hell up.

 

[Tim.243]

Speaking from NZ, WTF are you talking about?
You are usually full of it, but in this thread you have managed to outdo yourself.
Speaking as someone who can shoot any number of any species at any time of the year without kissing the ar5e of the local constabulary.... please sir, can I have another 50 bullets?
Take a good look at yourself, and shut the hell up.

As you are speaking from NZ that won't solve the UK bow hunters issue will it.
We reload so just use up that batch and make some more.
Do you take you game into you local dealer?
Rabbits Pigeons Foxes Muntjac are in season 365 also there will be other deer (roe bucks) then in Aug the larger species with the does later on.
However all Male deer in Scotland are in all year around.
night licence's out of season licence's also

 

[Deerhunter22]

Speaking from NZ, WTF are you talking about?
You are usually full of it, but in this thread you have managed to outdo yourself.
Speaking as someone who can shoot any number of any species at any time of the year without kissing the ar5e of the local constabulary.... please sir, can I have another 50 bullets?
Take a good look at yourself, and shut the hell up.

Dude your debating with a brick wall, just give up ik I have

Yeh the UK gun laws are an absolute joke, because having 80 bullets or having 81 is the difference between safe and not safe and having one gun as opposed to 5 makes everything a lot safer of course despite the fact your more vetted than it would appear some serving officers are

 

[Rafter]

Sorry, I'm off to weld up a new safe to go with my pistol license application.

Tim is right that the regs around commercial sale are tighter here than the UK, but I make enough here as a fabricator that I can afford to hunt for the pleasure of it. And I can do it on public land with a free issue permit - any day of the year, hunting any species, and shooting any number I can be bothered with.

The real advantage to NZ though is it's a hemisphere away from Tim.

 

[paul o']

Speaking from NZ, WTF are you talking about?
You are usually full of it, but in this thread you have managed to outdo yourself.
Speaking as someone who can shoot any number of any species at any time of the year without kissing the ar5e of the local constabulary.... please sir, can I have another 50 bullets?
Take a good look at yourself, and shut the hell up.

We dont need to ask for another 50 bullets ! Who told you that ? we order them by the 1000'or more on line they come in the mail we buy our cases by the 100's on line they come in the post !We buy our primers by the 1000's and powders from each other or at the dealer trot off home and load them up. Once made we can fill our boots when the time comes only none reloaders have to complie to there round holdings but say they have 50 rounds they just go buy another 50 as soon as they wish without asking the plod! .The reloaded just has to not hold the maximum amount say 600 at any one time to comply.

 

[Rafter]

My point was that the Police can arbitrarily set an ammo limit, and if you want to hold more you have to go and beg for an increase.
Seems a nonsense to me.

 

[Rafter]

We dont need to ask for another 50 bullets ! Who told you that ? we order them by the 1000'or more on line they come in the mail we buy our cases by the 100's on line they come in the post !We buy our primers by the 1000's and powders from each other or at the dealer trot off home and load them up. Once made we can fill our boots when the time comes only none reloaders have to complie to there round holdings but say they have 50 rounds they just go buy another 50 as soon as they wish without asking the plod! .The reloaded just has to not hold the maximum amount say 600 at any one time to comply.

I think we may have been divided by a common language. When I said bullets I meant fully assembled ammunition, which I understand you have limits set at the whim of your local Police force regarding how much you may hold at any one time.

T

Thread 'Held ammunition quantities.'

Oct 3, 2025

Evening all, yet another query.
I a now putting in a paid for variation to aquire a .22 centrefire (hopefully 222, but want to cover all bases and just apply for .22 CF.
Good reason sorted being vermin / Deer (cwd mj, and possibly roe if I get up to Scotland) also now a member of a club / range.

Looking to reload for the .22 and possibly my current. 243.

What would be an acceptable starting point for ammo allowance given a mix of target work, vermin / Deer control.

To get started with load development and different types / weight of bull etc I can see it being higher than my current...

• Trickyd66
• Replies: 55
• Forum: Legal Issues

 

[VSS]

The reason bow hunting is not legal in the UK is simply because we stopped doing it. We gave it up, voluntarily, many many years ago, so it was written out of our current legislation. Simple as that.
Had it still been an active pursuit, the situation may well have been very different now.
Nothing to do with a "commie" government. We lost it through lack of interest.

 

[Mungo]

The reason bow hunting is not legal in the UK is simply because we stopped doing it. We gave it up, voluntarily, many many years ago, so it was written out of our current legislation. Simple as that.
Had it still been an active pursuit, the situation may well have been very different now.
Nothing to do with a "commie" government. We lost it through lack of interest.

I’m not certain it’s just that.

I think there was also a determination by the landowning classes (who were writing the laws) to limit the options available to the plebs. So very much the opposite of a ‘commie’ government!

 

[Smellydog]

The reason bow hunting is not legal in the UK is simply because we stopped doing it. We gave it up, voluntarily, many many years ago, so it was written out of our current legislation. Simple as that.
Had it still been an active pursuit, the situation may well have been very different now.
Nothing to do with a "commie" government. We lost it through lack of interest.

Aye maybe Tim.

Still a commie government though.

 

[Smellydog]

I’m not certain it’s just that.

I think there was also a determination by the landowning classes (who were writing the laws) to limit the options available to the plebs. So very much the opposite of a ‘commie’ government!

Hmm, any oppressive regime I class as a commie set up. The political structure makes it's laws around the criminal element at the cost of freedom of choice for the majority of hard working tax payers.
Meanwhile in the background the establishment gets away with murder whilst raking it in.

 

[Smellydog]

I do distinctly remember the RSPCA campaign to get it outlawed . Another set of socialist mindset dreamers.

 

[Deerhunter22]

Hmm, any oppressive regime I class as a commie set up. The political structure makes it's laws around the criminal element at the cost of freedom of choice for the majority of hard working tax payers.
Meanwhile in the background the establishment gets away with murder whilst raking it in.

My thoughts exact

 

[Tim.243]

The reason bow hunting is not legal in the UK is simply because we stopped doing it. We gave it up, voluntarily, many many years ago, so it was written out of our current legislation. Simple as that.
Had it still been an active pursuit, the situation may well have been very different now.
Nothing to do with a "commie" government. We lost it through lack of interest.

Quite, Bow hunting has been strictly illegal in the UK in all its forms since 1965. The prohibition was originally established for deer in the Deer Act 1963 and was subsequently extended to cover all wild mammals across the country in the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981

That is 61 years to make a case...I will wager a good few were not born when it was dropped, also H Wilson (Labour) was in charge

 

[Tim.243]

Sorry, I'm off to weld up a new safe to go with my pistol license application.

Tim is right that the regs around commercial sale are tighter here than the UK, but I make enough here as a fabricator that I can afford to hunt for the pleasure of it. And I can do it on public land with a free issue permit - any day of the year, hunting any species, and shooting any number I can be bothered with.

The real advantage to NZ though is it's a hemisphere away from Tim.

WTF is a "permit" for? some form of bus pass to drop you off hunting

No pistols or hunting with bows or permits

Good game dealer 12 min drive door to door, the lads unload inspect and you get paid.... Yes it is just fine.

 

[Rafter]

Hi Tim. You seem to do a fair job of being a functional moron, so congrats at that. Keep up the good work.

One of the pillars of hunting regulation in NZ (and the UK, oddly enough) is the consent of the landowner - or the holder of the Sporting Rights in Britland.
In New Zealand some 35% of the country (that is 61% of England's total area) is public land. Keeping up so far, Tim? This land is administered on behalf of New Zealanders by the Department of Conservation (DOC), who issue as of right a hunting permit to anyone who wishes to hunt this land, and has a firearms license (or not, if they wish to use a bow instead). So yes, hunting with bows is fine here.

Hunting with pistols is not legal, but club use is an accepted past time - firearms users aren't regarded as evil incarnate (or at least adjacent) here yet. Maybe the importation of more cops from your fair islands will change that, but we'll see.

I don't get your obsession with your proximity to a game dealer, but if it makes you happy then good on you. There are still plenty of guys full time hunting here if you want to make money out of a sport or regard that as the measure of its quality somehow.

 

[Smellydog]

Hi Tim. You seem to do a fair job of being a functional moron, so congrats at that. Keep up the good work.

One of the pillars of hunting regulation in NZ (and the UK, oddly enough) is the consent of the landowner - or the holder of the Sporting Rights in Britland.
In New Zealand some 35% of the country (that is 61% of England's total area) is public land. Keeping up so far, Tim? This land is administered on behalf of New Zealanders by the Department of Conservation (DOC), who issue as of right a hunting permit to anyone who wishes to hunt this land, and has a firearms license (or not, if they wish to use a bow instead). So yes, hunting with bows is fine here.

Hunting with pistols is not legal, but club use is an accepted past time - firearms users aren't regarded as evil incarnate (or at least adjacent) here yet. Maybe the importation of more cops from your fair islands will change that, but we'll see.

I don't get your obsession with your proximity to a game dealer, but if it makes you happy then good on you. There are still plenty of guys full time hunting here if you want to make money out of a sport or regard that as the measure of its quality somehow.

When most British are born mate they have a set of blinkers fitted at birth. It narrows their views, expectations and minds.
Some of us kick them off, most are happy to leave them on.

 

[Rafter]

When most British are born mate they have a set of blinkers fitted at birth. It narrows their views, expectations and minds.
Some of us kick them off, most are happy to leave them on.

I lived in the UK for 3.5 years last century, and had a fantastic time.
I have trouble aligning those times with the attitudes demonstrated by some folks on here.
On the other hand, all populations exist on a bell curve, and a spread of behaviors is to be expected - if occasionally disappointing.

 

[paul o']

I think we may have been divided by a common language. When I said bullets I meant fully assembled ammunition, which I understand you have limits set at the whim of your local Police force regarding how much you may hold at any one time.

T

Thread 'Held ammunition quantities.'

Oct 3, 2025

Evening all, yet another query.
I a now putting in a paid for variation to aquire a .22 centrefire (hopefully 222, but want to cover all bases and just apply for .22 CF.
Good reason sorted being vermin / Deer (cwd mj, and possibly roe if I get up to Scotland) also now a member of a club / range.

Looking to reload for the .22 and possibly my current. 243.

What would be an acceptable starting point for ammo allowance given a mix of target work, vermin / Deer control.

To get started with load development and different types / weight of bull etc I can see it being higher than my current...

• Trickyd66
• Replies: 55
• Forum: Legal Issues

Glad you didn't say heads
This lot would have got a hard on
I can hold 1200 of any of my cals and buy 1000 when I reach 200 held .
Unless zee Germans come and try there luck again feel i have enough to get on with.

 

[Taff]

We dont need to ask for another 50 bullets ! Who told you that ? we order them by the 1000'or more on line they come in the mail we buy our cases by the 100's on line they come in the post !We buy our primers by the 1000's and powders from each other or at the dealer trot off home and load them up. Once made we can fill our boots when the time comes only none reloaders have to complie to there round holdings but say they have 50 rounds they just go buy another 50 as soon as they wish without asking the plod! .The reloaded just has to not hold the maximum amount say 600 at any one time to comply.

You have a limit on how many reloads you can have , even the number of heads you can have, unless this has changed, you also have a maximum number of rounds per calibre, and yes I held a firearms license from 79- 2015 in the uk, so have a little experience of the system.
Over here I keep what ever ammo I want to, own what ever I want to, as long as I have a license for that section of firearms.