pistol for dispatch

[sikamalc]

Thanks for your input lads but i did not ask what was better a revolver or semi but which countys are letting semi-autos for dispatch. But just a thought is a reck revolver better than a sig 210 so end of that one.

Northumberland allowed non restricted as a friend of mine who used to be the deer stalker at Hulne Park was allowed a 9mm semi unrestricted.

Kent allow only rstricted to 2 shot, although they allowed me 2 types of ammo for the 357, to include 38 special.

 

[private fraser]

I had to get mine restricted to 2 shots by welding a plug in 4 of the holes in the cylinder. Personally I don't regard that as safe.

Sorry, my 2nd post should have read revolvers CAN be restricted (corrected it now).

Semi-auto's can't be restricted and I suspect that once some firearms departments realise that they will try to withdraw the approval if already given so anyone with one will be on dodgy ground.Some firearms departments knowledge of some things firearm seems strangely limited.

Basically, the police's boss, the Home Office, is worried about a guns ammunition capacity and ability to be reloaded quickly. Hence the shot restriction on revolvers which means that speedloaders can't be used and the ban on most semi-auto's

fraser

 

[Laurie]

I did some research on this a while back for a possible magazine article which never came to fruition. The select committee who looked into the whole area of exemptions when the legislation was still at the before final reading bill stage took a lot of evidence from people like the slaughtermen and vets on what was needed for humane dispatch. The advice was at least .32 cal and a two shot capability, assuming only one should be needed, but a second provided as back-up in the case of emergency.

This got written into the Home Office guidance to the revised Act and is treated as gospel by many firearms licensing teams. It has been challenged successfully though on several occasions since usually with BASC legal team assistance, on factors like individuals being resident abroad part of the time and legally owning six shot revolvers or semi-autos legally there and not wanting to buy / own a second handgun purely for UK use. This has opened the door a little, but whether the average firearms licensing manager will accept the principle where no such extraneous factors apply is another matter.

On a related field though I did photograph a Walther PPK and moderator for a northern gunshop and S5 dealer I used to work for. The company had a number of these pistols and matched moddies and advertised them in whatever is the veterinary surgeons' in-house magazine, so the police are presumably prepared to provide appropriate variations for such businesses' FACs. There was no 2-shot restriction on them. Mind you if I was facing down an injured bull or maybe something even nastier in a zoo with a .32ACP pistol, I'd want a lot of shots in the locker! The shop manager told me that vets traditionally prefer the .32s as they have little experience of handling firearms so recoil is an issue, and they like the modest report as humane dispatch is often done with members of the public nearby who get upset when things are shot and/or there are other large animals nearby that also get upset with gunfire.

 

[375 mag]

My local firearms licensing manager is coming to see me on Tuesday to discuss my request for a 9mm semi auto pistol - revolver for humane despatch ill keep you posted !!!!

 

[chrisc]

I did some research on this a while back for a possible magazine article which never came to fruition. The select committee who looked into the whole area of exemptions when the legislation was still at the before final reading bill stage took a lot of evidence from people like the slaughtermen and vets on what was needed for humane dispatch. The advice was at least .32 cal and a two shot capability, assuming only one should be needed, but a second provided as back-up in the case of emergency.

This got written into the Home Office guidance to the revised Act and is treated as gospel by many firearms licensing teams. It has been challenged successfully though on several occasions since usually with BASC legal team assistance, on factors like individuals being resident abroad part of the time and legally owning six shot revolvers or semi-autos legally there and not wanting to buy / own a second handgun purely for UK use. This has opened the door a little, but whether the average firearms licensing manager will accept the principle where no such extraneous factors apply is another matter.

On a related field though I did photograph a Walther PPK and moderator for a northern gunshop and S5 dealer I used to work for. The company had a number of these pistols and matched moddies and advertised them in whatever is the veterinary surgeons' in-house magazine, so the police are presumably prepared to provide appropriate variations for such businesses' FACs. There was no 2-shot restriction on them. Mind you if I was facing down an injured bull or maybe something even nastier in a zoo with a .32ACP pistol, I'd want a lot of shots in the locker! The shop manager told me that vets traditionally prefer the .32s as they have little experience of handling firearms so recoil is an issue, and they like the modest report as humane dispatch is often done with members of the public nearby who get upset when things are shot and/or there are other large animals nearby that also get upset with gunfire.

yes york guns had the walthers but as for 2 shot .32 that was put down by the RSPCA which in my thinking most of there dispatching will be in a controlled enviroment.

 

[private fraser]

My local firearms licensing manager is coming to see me on Tuesday to discuss my request for a 9mm semi auto pistol - revolver for humane despatch ill keep you posted !!!!

It used to be that you could request and possibly be granted permission for a "pistol" in a certain calibre thus allowing you to choose either a revolver or a semi-auto. It will be interesting to see if this is still the case but what I said above about dodgy ground still applies I think.

 

[stone]

It used to be that you could request and possibly be granted permission for a "pistol" in a certain calibre thus allowing you to choose either a revolver or a semi-auto. It will be interesting to see if this is still the case but what I said above about dodgy ground still applies I think.

When I applied for mine the FEO suggested that a .32 would be my best choice due to availability and cost
I chose a .38 which came back as restricted to 2 shot revolver
bit of a comprimise but in my favour
god bless them

 

[bewsher500]

can I ask those people that have them when they use them?

its not something I have ever considered and am just trying to work out when and if it would ever be used.
is this something you take with you when stalking or used in a professional capacity when called out to RTA's etc?

 

[Lucror]

My local firearms licensing manager is coming to see me on Tuesday to discuss my request for a 9mm semi auto pistol - revolver for humane despatch ill keep you posted !!!!

What was the outcome?

 

[Seanpaul]

I'd be interested in getting a revolver for humane dispatch. Anyone had any dealings with the MET on this and some advice?

Ta

 

[pete]

i know of two pistol owners in humberside one resticted 2 shot semi 32 and a resticted 2 shot 357mag revolver with cylinders welded up any one know of any sec1 long barrel unrestricted ones being permited for dispach?

 

[ytene]

I'd be interested in getting a revolver for humane dispatch. Anyone had any dealings with the MET on this and some advice?

Ta

Seanpaul,three key words are worth being clear on "need" and "good reason", they mean that your need has to be proven by good reason to possess to your police force licensing officer although the police are now supposed to process the request as a non-objector,they have to be confident of the applicants motives for wishing to acquire a prohibited firearm.,whether it is conditioned as a Section 1 Humane Dispatch /Slaughtering Instrument or not. I have a 2-shot .32 revolver and have logged all of my uses ,total since grant and acquisition-162 incidents..rtas/entrapments/domestic humane dispatches.There is no doubt that a pistol is useful ,however the trend is to grant to professional users and amateurs face an uphill process to be successful..also a revolver is safer to handle as it can be single or double action in usage...9mm unrestricted semi ? Would not "need "one as I have no "good reason" for a full mag capacity,and I and the police agree that the criteria has been met....in addition the .22 rifle and 410 shotgun are the tools of choice in most rta scenarios.There are always those elements that like the idea of possession of a pistol to buck the system of the handgun ban, and the police know that..so any application has to be watertight.

 

[trouble]

i asked for a singal shot 22 for foxes in holes , netted or trapped they bloke said i could have a 38 too much boom for down a hole i think . Might ask for a 410 pistol i think but that might be a bit smokie down a hole

 

[User00021]

i asked for a singal shot 22 for foxes in holes , netted or trapped they bloke said i could have a 38 too much boom for down a hole i think . Might ask for a 410 pistol i think but that might be a bit smokie down a hole

Trouble, i had a .410 Bond arms derringer 3" barrel and the taurus judge with a 6" barrel. The bond arms with no.6 shot wasn't much use past the end of your boot but the judge was a winner it would roll rabbits at around 12 - 15 yards and was great for multiple rodent senarios. Unfortunately they have taken the judge away as a 5 shot revolver is to much fun for the public to own althought there is a chance i can have it back as a single shot which is better than loosing it altogether. It would still be pretty noisy down the hole.

 

[trouble]

all i want it for is point blank , at the end of a dig shovel in , dog out , poke it over the shovel , pop

 

[theshootist]

Seanpaul,three key words are worth being clear on "need" and "good reason", they mean that your need has to be proven by good reason to possess to your police force licensing officer although the police are now supposed to process the request as a non-objector,they have to be confident of the applicants motives for wishing to acquire a prohibited firearm.,whether it is conditioned as a Section 1 Humane Dispatch /Slaughtering Instrument or not. I have a 2-shot .32 revolver and have logged all of my uses ,total since grant and acquisition-162 incidents..rtas/entrapments/domestic humane dispatches.There is no doubt that a pistol is useful ,however the trend is to grant to professional users and amateurs face an uphill process to be successful..also a revolver is safer to handle as it can be single or double action in usage...9mm unrestricted semi ? Would not "need "one as I have no "good reason" for a full mag capacity,and I and the police agree that the criteria has been met....in addition the .22 rifle and 410 shotgun are the tools of choice in most rta scenarios.There are always those elements that like the idea of possession of a pistol to buck the system of the handgun ban, and the police know that..so any application has to be watertight.

Hi, is "need" specific to the grant of S5 firearms for HD?

I thought that "good reason" was what needed to be shown. As a recreational stalker I have no "need" for my rifle, as I don't need to go stalking. I have shown "good reason" however, which is what the law reqires.

 

[Hodadr]

I know that Kent, Wiltshire and Humberside will issue a FAC for a restricted 2 shot non captive bolt humain killer (pistol) And i know all three force will do a semi automatic. you need a reason.

Dispatch of large animals (cows),there are ways and means of apply pressure if they refuse but not for public display on here!

As to a recall i dont get on what basis unless they are revoking your whole licence on the grounds of public safety.

 

[Hodadr]

i asked for a singal shot 22 for foxes in holes , netted or trapped they bloke said i could have a 38 too much boom for down a hole i think . Might ask for a 410 pistol i think but that might be a bit smokie down a hole

.22 are notorious for riquoces, thast way a larger caliber is better!

 

[ytene]

Hi, is "need" specific to the grant of S5 firearms for HD?

I thought that "good reason" was what needed to be shown. As a recreational stalker I have no "need" for my rifle, as I don't need to go stalking. I have shown "good reason" however, which is what the law reqires.

Hi,the term need is what the police assess when they are establishing the applicant,s good reason to possess,ie why do you need a pistol for HD when a 410 will do the job? My own pistol is a humane slaughtering instrument primarily, with a condition for humane dispatch ,that is not the same as a pistol application primarily used for HD by a recreational stalker,the fact remains that the police are tightening up on the grant of these pistols and as I said previously any application has to be watertight.

 

[Si]

the fact remains that the police are tightening up on the grant of these pistols and as I said previously any application has to be watertight.

Is that a substantiated statement or your own observation?