biker1
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I will have you know young man my father travelled to Germany twice a week.
No he was not a businessman!
He was the tail gunner in a Lancaster bomber.
How good a shot are the stalkers in the UK?
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Paul at Fechan
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to be fair if I'm aware like most guys that a guest is not a great shot I try and get them VERY close to a deer before they take a shot. After all, who's going to have to sort it if there's a wounded beast to deal with?!
bambislayer
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good point, as a stalker/guide, you need to assess the client, and if need be get closer and reduce chance of shot, this also reduces the chance of wounding. Misses are fine, I'd rather a miss than a near hit!
patjack
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Jagare thanks for clearing the matter up I did mine with BASC in 1996/1997 and was lead to believe that it was a pilot scheme then the year later the full monty at thetford OMG how time flies by,
well there were 17 of us and everyone passed the shooting test with flying colours certainly better groups than 4".
PJ.
Monkey Spanker
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Here's a strange phenomenon for you then....(one which i believe may come with experience)!?
When i'm out on the ground and have a deer in my sights, I feel no nerves or pressure and seem to be able to place the bullet pretty much exactly where I want without fuss or error.
Put me on a range though, with fellow stalkers who I know will carefully watch EVERY bullet placement and critique accordingly and I get quite nervous!
I seem to get 'paper fever'??!!!
Concentration and application of correct techniques seem to get me through this strange problem though thankfully!
Anyone else more nervous with paper than deer?
MS
When i'm out on the ground and have a deer in my sights, I feel no nerves or pressure and seem to be able to place the bullet pretty much exactly where I want without fuss or error.
Put me on a range though, with fellow stalkers who I know will carefully watch EVERY bullet placement and critique accordingly and I get quite nervous!
I seem to get 'paper fever'??!!!
Concentration and application of correct techniques seem to get me through this strange problem though thankfully!
Anyone else more nervous with paper than deer?
MS
Tamus
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Here's a strange phenomenon for you then....(one which i believe may come with experience)!?
When i'm out on the ground and have a deer in my sights, I feel no nerves or pressure and seem to be able to place the bullet pretty much exactly where I want without fuss or error.
Put me on a range though, with fellow stalkers who I know will carefully watch EVERY bullet placement and critique accordingly and I get quite nervous!
I seem to get 'paper fever'??!!!
Concentration and application of correct techniques seem to get me through this strange problem though thankfully!
Anyone else more nervous with paper than deer?
MS
A halfway decent one shot group on a deer's heart seems to do the business just fine and I find their refreshing lack of competitiveness and overbearing judgementality makes steadying the rifle a lot easier too.
Does this "paper fever" afflict you at all times or only in company of condescending knawbs?
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roedeerred
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MS I'm with you I have no interest in punching holes in paper either on the range or in an office.
But I can put deer on the grass i do not profess to be a good shot just work within my comfort zone 3bucks last weekend one neck shot at 55yds other two H&l at 120 and 145yds.
paper and an audiance make me nervous.
But I can put deer on the grass i do not profess to be a good shot just work within my comfort zone 3bucks last weekend one neck shot at 55yds other two H&l at 120 and 145yds.
paper and an audiance make me nervous.
Monkey Spanker
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You may have the answer there Tamus as I'm fine on paper when I'm on my own!
I remember on my advanced stalkers shoot test (as part of the deer managers course) I rather embarassingly pulled one of my shots from the kneeling position! The RCO who is a good friend of mine had texted my failure to numerous shooting buddies before I'd even checked my target!
I suppose a bit of healthy competition and pressure is no bad thing if it helps us to shoot better?MS
Tom D
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I was shooting my HMR from a table on our patio at targets down in my yard (90 yds) the other day, my wife came out and I asked her if she wanted a go, she sat down and shot a 1.25" group, first time she had ever fired a gun. I haven't let her have a go again LOL!
If she can do it anyone can.
On the other hand I doubt many rifles are capable of shooting under an inch at 100yds, a three shot group is one thing, how many posts on here do you see with 10 shot groups inside an inch? Not many.
If she can do it anyone can.
On the other hand I doubt many rifles are capable of shooting under an inch at 100yds, a three shot group is one thing, how many posts on here do you see with 10 shot groups inside an inch? Not many.
PointBlank
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This is why I'm glad I don't reload because I always have the escape clause "it's factory ammo......" 
Seriously though I shoot at least 50 rounds of .22 prone every week on paper and there is still people who are a lot better shots than me, fact of life.
Seriously though I shoot at least 50 rounds of .22 prone every week on paper and there is still people who are a lot better shots than me, fact of life.The first BDS one was called the `Woodland Stalkers Competence Test` and I passed mine in June 1984.
When the DMQ came out I got Level 1 through `grandfathers rights` in Jan.1998 as they were basically the same thing.
I took and passed DMQ Level 2 in May 1999.
HWH.
Monkey Spanker
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Wasn't there a NSCC somewhere inbetween the WSCC and the DSC 1?
Virbius
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Here's a strange phenomenon for you then....(one which i believe may come with experience)!?
When i'm out on the ground and have a deer in my sights, I feel no nerves or pressure and seem to be able to place the bullet pretty much exactly where I want without fuss or error.
Put me on a range though, with fellow stalkers who I know will carefully watch EVERY bullet placement and critique accordingly and I get quite nervous!
I seem to get 'paper fever'??!!!
Concentration and application of correct techniques seem to get me through this strange problem though thankfully!
Anyone else more nervous with paper than deer?
MS
Absolutely Definitely!!!
The first time I ever fired a centre-fire rifle was the shooting discipline on my DSC1 in November 2009, which I passed. I waited until I had been out on a few guided stalks before applying for my FAC for a .308 and rimfire which I got last October; since then I have also had asuccessful variation for a .243. I'm a member of a local rifle club and generally shoot once a week, and 3 times a month full-bore at 100yds. Mainly for practice and getting used to my rifles for example feeling where the safety is rather than lifting my head to look for it, and also developing loads as I am new to reloading. Based on my reloading records, I'm firing about 100 .243/.308 rounds per month. It is a very active club and there are some seriously good marksmen in it who regularly compete and challenge for the top spots at national and regional level in some disciplines. So I am naturally far more suseptible to paper fever!
In comparison, on 29th August after a 5.5 hour stalk over the highlands, I got into a position with the help of the head stalker for a shot on a red stag. 150yds looking down at a steep angle and slightly off-broadside, first ever red stag, and I was as solid as the rocks I had just been climbing down to get to a safe shot. One shot and he was down, not a sign of nerve or heavy heartbeat at all.
It's all in the mind!!
bambislayer
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Was in the 1 st traunch of DSC 1&2, Forestry Rangers were the guinea pigs!!!!!
part in about 98, think part 1 was 96ish????????
Certainly went down to Portsmouth to do Range Course in preperation to assess dmq 1 for Forestry Rangers.
No doubt the kit people have has really improved [in general], my once state of the art kit is now pretty dated! I wonder if wounding rates heve reduced after all this assessment?
I think we must be doing ok, for the fact that we think the subject warrants nearly 100 posts
Out of curiosity, a question for experienced guides and trainers: do you notice any difference between those coming to stalking completely new (no prior shooting experience), and those coming from a bunny shooting/fox control background? Based on an idiosyncratic sample of people I know, those with a lot of experience shooting bunnies with an air rifle often come out as exrtremely good shots with CF rifles: very careful with getting into position, very good at judging distance, very measured with taking the shot and willing not to take a shot if unsure. I reckon it's because air rifles are so unforgiving with error at anything beyond 15m or so. Shotgunners, on the other hand, seem usuallyto be dreadful (and won't or can't listen...).
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There is a reason the target is a set size and that any rounds in that circle are accepted.
If you put the three shots at the extremes of the circle you would be guaranteed a beast on the hill.
I would be happy to place 100 rounds in the circle but no clover leafs over three consecutive does that make me a bad shot?
Ed
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