Hunting Life "been caught poaching need advise"

[Uncle Buck]

What a cracking wind up....

But let's go "wi 't young lad's sto ree" ... What do we think?

It seems... He broke the law. He got caught breaking the law. He seems to accept the evidence is all there to prove it too.

What should he do.

(a) Plead NOT GUILTY and make the authorities work for their living but almost certainly max his sentence if he's proved guilty?

Or...

(b) Just plead GUILTY and be sensible about it and maybe have the court show a little leniency in view of his co-operation and remorse?

Have to agree Tamus sounds like a WHOPPER....... Assuming it's true I'd say he'd have to cop the needle (guilty)

as he's up the creek without a paddle.

 

[6.5/284matt]

Surely he is just at it? just had a look at the post!! cant be real?? can it??

If this guy is your usual track suit, trainers, flat cap, bull greyhound kind of guy then it could quite easily be real. As all the ones iv come across are invincible and extremely dumb.

 

[csl]

theres 10 deer also been found

What you will find is that most that post on the hunting life forum will have been brought up with a disire to hunt and ctah wild life its in most of us.

10 deer 'for the pot'? I think not.

 

[Wingy]

Don't know what you guys think but 10 deer with dogs sounds a bit much. We will have to wait and see what happens if it's not a wind up. Just glad it was the authorities that nailed them you or me may have also got a good kicking if comming across them on our patch. Hope they throw the book at them and also those who were buying the venison, if that can be traced
Wingy

 

[Tamus]

Originally Posted by Bomagtheres 10 deer also been found

Originally Posted by 6pointer
What you will find is that most that post on the hunting life forum will have been brought up with a disire to hunt and ctah wild life its in most of us.

10 deer 'for the pot'? I think not.

Maybe he's unemployed. Maybe he's on a very low wage. Maybe he's fallen on hard times but is not a benefit scrounger.

Christmas is just round the corner and ten deer isn't going to come to much, split between him and his accomplices...

It would take a few trips out each week to earn anything like a living for them.

Is poaching really any different to any other crime... that really hurts no-one else but might benefit the crim?

I mean, if he went mushroom or berry picking instead there would be no crime. So, why is it even "wrong", in the first place, for him to harvest a little bit of nature's bounty when it's deer instead of mushrooms.



.... I think I'll change my signature to "Where's Wally?" Alex

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Nice to see young men out enjoying the countryside..

Hopefully theyll be in with our infamous SAS Sgt who will be able to give them tips on escape and evasion along with safe storage of weapons.

Little monkeys

 

[Tamus]

Nice to see young men out enjoying the countryside..

Hopefully theyll be in with our infamous SAS Sgt who will be able to give them tips on escape and evasion along with safe storage of weapons.

Little monkeys

There he is...

 

[Si]

Poaching in any shape or form is abhorent

It's a shame we're made to feel that way... I quite like the romantic notion of the Lincolnshire poacher with his flat cap and loyal terrier by his side, who took 'one for the pot'

A vast difference between the Pikeys of today and the likeable rogue Greengrass character of yesteryear.

 

[British Shooting Services]

Asking for advice on an open forum?

You never know, maybe one of the investigating officers or CPS prosecutors is also reading it. No sympathy for the idiot at all

 

[Dougster]

It seems to be gone now - but I did find another showing his roe, shot with a .22 lr........

 

[bewsher500]

...that your new signature Ed?

ha.
It is now!

Jaysus!

 

[Nightwalker]

Don't know what you guys think but 10 deer with dogs sounds a bit much. We will have to wait and see what happens if it's not a wind up. Just glad it was the authorities that nailed them you or me may have also got a good kicking if comming across them on our patch. Hope they throw the book at them and also those who were buying the venison, if that can be traced
Wingy

Looking at the original post from THL there were two vehicles and a number of individuals and almost certainly quite a number of dogs involved. These gangs of generally quite young lads will travel large distances, in my area we come across gangs like this up from South Wales and down from London. Generally they will drive any likely-looking fields they can get their vehicles onto in order to get the dogs as close as possible to the deer before chucking several dogs out of the car after the deer. Alternatively, they will drive around the lanes at night lamping the fields either side from the road before slipping their dogs on anything they see. They will often be out most of the night and ten deer is entirely possible. The best approach is prevention - try to make it impossible for them to get their vehicles on the land, you can also try to make the deer lamp-shy. Most of these lads will have no local knowledge at all and the fact that they are entirely dependent on their vehicles is their biggest weakness. The smart ones will keep the carcases separate from the dogs - either by caching them for later collection or by keeping them in a separate vehicle so they can claim to have found them on the side of the road or similar, but clearly these lads either didn't have the brains to do this or someone found the cache of deer and was able to link it to the culprits.

Still, it does look as though one gang of idiots may be out of action for a while.

 

[Nightwalker]

It seems to be gone now - but I did find another showing his roe, shot with a .22 lr........

Yes, the internet is a democratic medium, freely available to all. You don't have to have any common sense or much of an intellect - if you can read and type after a fashion then you can incriminate yourself online. There have been a number of convictions related to stuff that various idiots have posted on THL and other similar websites and I'm sure that more will follow because these sites have an avid following among law-enforcement bodies and with uniformed animal fanatics such as the ARSEPCA amongst others. Still, it does make the point that for all that many worry about the dreaded dog-boys, a great deal of the real damage is done with legally held firearms.

 

[tika.308]

Maybe he's unemployed. Maybe he's on a very low wage. Maybe he's fallen on hard times but is not a benefit scrounger.

Christmas is just round the corner and ten deer isn't going to come to much, split between him and his accomplices...

It would take a few trips out each week to earn anything like a living for them.

Is poaching really any different to any other crime... that really hurts no-one else but might benefit the crim?

I mean, if he went mushroom or berry picking instead there would be no crime. So, why is it even "wrong", in the first place, for him to harvest a little bit of nature's bounty when it's deer instead of mushrooms.



.... I think I'll change my signature to "Where's Wally?" Alex [/QUOTE


So you dont mind anyone on your ground helping thereselves then ???? Its not against the law to pick mushrooms now is it ?????

 

[Tamus]

Maybe he's unemployed. Maybe he's on a very low wage. Maybe he's fallen on hard times but is not a benefit scrounger.

Christmas is just round the corner and ten deer isn't going to come to much, split between him and his accomplices...

It would take a few trips out each week to earn anything like a living for them.

Is poaching really any different to any other crime... that really hurts no-one else but might benefit the crim?

I mean, if he went mushroom or berry picking instead there would be no crime. So, why is it even "wrong", in the first place, for him to harvest a little bit of nature's bounty when it's deer instead of mushrooms.



.... I think I'll change my signature to "Where's Wally?" Alex [/QUOTE


So you dont mind anyone on your ground helping thereselves then ???? Its not against the law to pick mushrooms now is it ?????

Dear God ... do any of you people who go into the countryside really know anything about the laws that apply? .... I'm begining to wonder.

 

[Tamus]

Theft Act 1968 Section 4(3) states that:
A person who picks mushrooms growing wild on any land, or who picks flowers, fruit or foliage from a plant growing wild on any land, does not (although not in possession of the land) steal what he picks, unless he does it for reward or for sale or other commercial purpose. For purposes of this subsection "mushroom" includes any fungus, and "plant" includes any shrub or tree.

Now there are lots of ways that you can break the law picking mushrooms... but it is not... of itself... unlawful.

 

[tika.308]

Well done Tom, could you put the section up for the poaching of deer with dogs now ? Im only using my phone or i would of found it and posted it. why would anyone stick up for a bloke whos just killed 10 deer with dogs ?? I must be missing someting.

 

[gerarddwatts]

Now there are lots of ways that you can break the law picking mushrooms... but it is not... of itself... unlawful.

It is.....of itself...unlawful if you sell them....they are stolen. The picking is unlawful, not the selling.

 

[Tamus]

Well done Tom, could you put the section up for the poaching of deer with dogs now ? Im only using my phone or i would of found it and posted it. why would anyone stick up for a bloke whos just killed 10 deer with dogs ?? I must be missing someting.

You've got me there. I can't really see why anyone would "stick up" for a self confessed criminal who had actually committed a serious crime.

 

[Tamus]

It is.....of itself...unlawful if you sell them....they are stolen. The picking is unlawful, not the selling.

Shoulda gone to specsavers.

ps... I've just had an email pointing out the ambiguity.. so.. just for clarity.

YOU should have gone to specsavers... I quoted the law correctly a couple of posts up... but thanks all the same for clarifying that picking is unlawful (ie. theft) when it is done commercially. It is however and remains perfectly lawful to "pick" for non-commercial purposes, (ie. one's own consumption)... provided, of course, no other laws are being broken. In which case it won't be the "picking" that is theft it will be the whatever "other law" that is broken... capiche?