Single rifle caliber choice - 6.5 x 55 or a .308??

So how come we can't use a 308 across the Channel then? Are there other calibres banned over there too? What's the stalking like over in Normandy, we holidayed there last year and fell in love with the place. So if I can squeeze it past the Mrs whilst we are there on holiday next time.... :o)
In France, all rifles chambered for current or former military calibres are classified as "armes de guerre" and cannot be used for hunting. This also applies to military issue swords, bayonets etc, but no-one cares about that bit anymore. It's essentially because France was previously awash with French, German, British and American weaponry and the government didn't like it one bit. But it's not as if this causes any practical difficulty for hunters. Plenty of choice out there!
 
The French have stricter licensing requirements when it comes to ex-military calibres (which includes .308 and 6.5x55 among others). Hard to achieve as a foreigner to France. Hence the popularity of other metric calibres that are ballistically similar. .270 is not ex-military so would work. I found this summary of what is "recommended" for use in France http://passionlachasse.free.fr/dossier/munitions.pdf However, I can not say that it is authoritative so make sure you verify before buying or taking any rifle to France. Note the entries with a "#" in the first column indicates it is a calibre illegal in France.

+1 for the 6.5x55 with RWS 140gr DK ammo....
 
Note the entries with a "#" in the first column indicates it is a calibre illegal in France.

That's not strictly true - if you are getting off the boat with one over your shoulder with a view to repelling the Germans then they will make you more than welcome. Funny that.
 
That's not strictly true - if you are getting off the boat with one over your shoulder with a view to repelling the Germans then they will make you more than welcome. Funny that.

That's because they're classified as "armes de guerre" and you'd be there to do some "guerre". But if you then shot a deer with your rifle, you'd be in trouble! Interestingly, hunting was banned by the Germans in France duting WW2. Apparently the 1945 hunting season was awesome.
 
Thanks everyone for your comments. Oh boy, it's never an easy one is it! I totally agree the 308 is a very versatile round and very common. If my memory is right, a 150grn bullet does a proper job but with less damage than a lighter, faster round. I just fancy trying the 6.5 as everyone who has one swears by them, very accurate, nice to shoot and a good sized round without being too hyper.
How common is the 6.5 in a shop these days for ammo and how does the barrel fair?

The meat damage issue is a red herring in choosing which calibre to buy. One thing you'll notice is that people tend to recommend that which they own.

As for meat damage, you can shoot a deer with the 100gr .243 bullet and do more or less meat damage than if you'd used a 150gr .308 bullet or a 140gr 6.5/7mm bullet. Much depends on impact velocity, a lot depends on bullet construction, even more depends on where you hit the beast and what the bullet passes through once inside the beast (bone, heart, lungs, liver - they all behave differently), and lastly it depends on the day of the week. OK, that last one isn't true.

For example, I shot a roe low in the heart with a 165gr bullet from my 30-06 and it made an awful mess. Not so much bloodshot meat as stomach content everywhere. That roe was shot at about 60 yards. The following year, my frieind shot a hind through the heart/lungs with the same bullet from the same rifle and it made almost no damage at all, a bloodshot area of ribs about 6 inches across. That hind was shot at about 180 yards. You can't compare one to the other apart from saying sometimes that a given bullet makes a mess and other times it doesn't. It generally is irrelevant whether the bullet was 6mm, 6.5mm, 7mm, or 7.62mm. Why do I say this? Read on.

Some years ago, four of us shot 16 red hinds with various different bullets fired from three .243 rifles (using four different types of bullet) and a 30-06. We examined the carcasses in the game larder each day and at the end of the week and no one would have been able to say which beast had been shot with which calibre or what bullet. All of them (except two neck shots) were shot through the heart and lungs and the damage to each (entry and exit holes and internal damage) was much the same.

I once shot a roe at about 70 yards just above the heart with a 150gr RN bullet (chosen on the basis that it was a big slow heavy bullet) from my 7-08 and it made an awful mess. That's because I hit the foreleg bones. Others with the same bullet and it made relatively little damage, because it only hit ribs and the aorta/lungs.

I once shot two Scottish roe through the heart with a 55gr bulet from my 223 and it made minimum damage. One was shot at about 40 yards, the other around 180 yards.I don't doubt that if I hit the foreleg of a roe with that bulet it's make an unholy mess. Bullet placement is everything.

So in short, it's a falsehood to say "this cartridge causes more or less meat damage than that cartridge" if for no other reason than the assertion cannot be proven. It's just an opinion, possibly based on experience, possibly not. It isn't the cartridge that does the damage, it's the bullet. Diameter, within limits, is irrelevant. Bullet placement and bullet construction, in that order, are the governing factors.

There is no reason not to go for a 6.5x55 if that's what you fancy, it is perfectly capable of taking any game in the UK. My only comment would be that the action of a 6.5x55 will be a bit longer than a .308-based cartridge (i.e. .243 Win, .260 Rem, 7-08 Rem) so the gap between the receiver bridge and hence scope rings will be a bit wider and that might impact your choice of scope or scope mounting. You might need offset or stepped bases but that's no problem.

As for ammunition availability, that shouldn't be any problem. Larger dealers should have it in stock and even if you had to get your local dealer to order it, and you bought 200 rounds at a time, you won't run short. The 6.5x55 is one of Europe's more common calibres and most if not all of the manufacturers make it.

-JMS
 
One thing you'll notice is that people tend to recommend that which they own. -JMS

Truer words were never spoken.
Shooters seem to have this 'You need to get one cuz I got one' thing going on. A reaffirmation of their own choice, good or bad.~Muir
 
Just been down this road. Went for the 308 because I was offered a good deal on a t3 with T8 and scope. I was a bit worried about the recoil in comparison to the 6.5 I had been shooting. Recoil? What recoil? 308 rounds are cheap, plentiful and range from 123 upwards in factory loads. Either will do you well and you would be hard pressed to tell the difference when shooting one.
 
i have an .308 and its a great all rounder, lots of bullet choice and good on price. but i used an 6.5x55 a little while and i really liked the round yes its smaller but it still does what a .308 can do (apart from large animals).
i kind of wise i had gone for the 6.5x55 and then i would sell my .243 along with my .308.
atb
simon
 
i have an .308 and its a great all rounder, lots of bullet choice and good on price. but i used an 6.5x55 a little while and i really liked the round yes its smaller but it still does what a .308 can do (apart from large animals).
i kind of wise i had gone for the 6.5x55 and then i would sell my .243 along with my .308.
atb
simon

As appreciation of the 6.55x55 grows (too slowly for me) in the UK, I hope that stalkers here will eventually realise that the 6.5x55 has the same 'all-round' attributes of the .308. As far as UK deerstalking goes 6.5 calibre will do everything that's needed for the guy who wants just one rifle.

I started with a .308 (transferring over from 7.62 Match) and found this too much ... certainly up against anything short of 200 pounds of pork.... so quickly added a .243. After using .243 for almost everything I've concluded that it's too limited. The .308 is more often than not OTT on deer in the UK so the 6.5x55 wins by default. I don't fret over unnecessary overheads so have all btw.

.260 Rem is an alternative, but this cartridge doesn't handle heavier >140gr bullets as well as the longer action 6.5x55. There's very little difference in powder capacity between these rounds, but the shorter magazine & throating of the .308 standard action used for the .260 is the handicap. The truncated action does save weight, but inevitably limits the ammunition options. This isn't a problem in UK deerstalking of course.
 
308. Ammo cheap, easy to reload, short action, will do anything. Recoil on 6.5 is a bit less though. 6.5 is a ballistically superior bullet long range. Either will do what it says on the tin.
 
i have an .308 and its a great all rounder, lots of bullet choice and good on price. but i used an 6.5x55 a little while and i really liked the round yes its smaller but it still does what a .308 can do (apart from large animals).
i kind of wise i had gone for the 6.5x55 and then i would sell my .243 along with my .308.
atb
simon

Sorry Amigo. Can't agree with that.
I hunted with a guy for some years out of Silver City, New Mexico who used nothing but 6.5x55 with 160 grain Hornady RN for north American elk. This was back in my younger "hot rod" days and I used to shake my head when I saw his rifle and the elk he managed to kill every season. When recounting this to my brother-in-law he told me that he used a 6.5x55 carbine with Norma 154 grain when he was guiding elk hunters at an exclusive hunting ranch. He said the Texans would paunch shoot an elk with a 300WM and he would shoot the fleeing beast lengthwise with the Norma round. (Much to their consternation!) He got swayed by hype and traded the 6.5 off for a 270 Ruger and to this day, regrets the swap and laments the loss of his little mannlicher-stocked carbine. I have not shot elk with the 6.5 but I have shot larger deer with the 6.5 and 160's. Lights out from any angle.~Muir
 
After owning a 6.6 x 55 for 22 years I though I would buy a 270 for big red stags the only problem is the 6.5 does a better job and shoots 129 grn bullets at only 75fps slower than the 270 for less powder
 
After owning a 6.6 x 55 for 22 years I though I would buy a 270 for big red stags the only problem is the 6.5 does a better job and shoots 129 grn bullets at only 75fps slower than the 270 for less powder

It's looking more and more like the 6.5 for me then folks.
 
Hello Roelander

One of the things I like about 6.5 is when firing you keep your sight picture and can observe " reaction to shot ",I have taken 11 reds including a stag in the last year using Lapua 155 grain soft points and all taken down cleanly and with minimal meat damage.The bullet trajectory is a little loopy but you learn
to judge distance correctly and know your drop,but surely this is what rifle shooting is all about.


cheers Lee
 
Im picking up a tikka t3 hunter 6.5x55 just as soon as my variation comes back , wish'd they would hurry up I'm wearing a hole out in the carpet keep walking up and down:D
 
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