Blackrider
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.270 Win for me, I just keep on hitting things !
270 or 308? Prefered choice
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kimh
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agree, 30-06 if you go down from that go 243, if you hit in the middle stay 270
Shootgun
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I depends on the bullet choice... i use Barnes TSX in my .270 and you can eat straight to the bullet hole....
Obviously you wouldn't use them if they were rubbish but how do you find the tsx? General opinion I've read is that they don't expand that well on lightly built thin skinned stuff but excellent at large plains game such as zebra or kudu.
I'm considering them for mine. Where do you get 'em? Midway is out of stock on pretty much all barnes stuff in my caliber
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I read a lot on here about bullet choice but in honesty most people will find a weight and design for their day to day needs. Why do you need another 30 to choose from. I bet most people just find one the rifle and the shooter is happy with and never change unless a rare opportunity arises and in either caliber you will probably find something suitable for that trip. Unless it's extreme.
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Shootgun
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I have shot muntjac, roe and fallow with tsx and didn't had any problem. They don't expand as much as a soft point but they have almost 100% weight retention... exit holes are about 1-1,5'' and what is very important for me, they group under 0,5 MOA in my rifle.
I use the factory made Sako Powerhead, i'm not reloading, and i get them from William Evans, Chris Potter or Countryway. Got 5 boxes last week, so will do me for a while...
Cheers shootgun. They'd be starting at .458 and they would be impacting within their design spec so should expand to atleast an inch depending on quarry.
So that's a pretty big entry and exit, I think I'll be fine. Just didn't want them pencilling through.
I'll check out them suppliers, thanks again mate.
So that's a pretty big entry and exit, I think I'll be fine. Just didn't want them pencilling through.
I'll check out them suppliers, thanks again mate.
Shootgun
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You are welcome mate, give them a try, you won't be dissapointed.
I have the .270 and found it a great round, I have never had a problem getting rounds and they are about £23/box, these are Norma 110 grain, as said if I do my bit they dont do much damage.
I went with the .270 as I only have one permission were I can use it and could not see the point of going to the 308 calibre.
I went with the .270 as I only have one permission were I can use it and could not see the point of going to the 308 calibre.
You will get better barrel life out of the .308. It also has less recoil. There is a significantly better range of bullets and bullet weights available in the .308.
.270 Win. is fine and will kill, but I never understood the fuss about the round. Keep in mind that at normal hunting ranges you will have more meat damage with the .270 because of the higher velocity.
.270 Win. is fine and will kill, but I never understood the fuss about the round. Keep in mind that at normal hunting ranges you will have more meat damage with the .270 because of the higher velocity.
I've taken elk, moose, black bear and a bucket load of deer with my 6.5x55mm and either 140gr partition or 130gr TSX.
The 6.5x55mm is every bit as good as the .30-06, which I've owned and hunted with for many years, and has a more useful range of bullet weight IMO.
.308 cartridge is fine too, but to compete with the 140, 156 and 160gr 6.5mm bullets in SD and BC, you have to move up to the 190gr+ .308 bullets, which are not the best choice in the .308 cartridge. .30-06 is a better choice, but then at 190, 200 and 220gr .308 bullets @2600fps only then will you be competitive with the 6.5mm when it comes to external ballistics. At what cost? More than double the recoil, more powder, more noise, more cost and no difference in killing ability when it comes to 99% of game animals in North America and Europe.
.30-06 is a fine cartridge, and is going nowhere. I will always have a soft spot for the cartridge and I think it is a better choice than the .308 unless you are absolutely anal about having a "short action".
An often overlooked aspect of the 6.5~Muir
the key to good performance in the Swede is handloading. The only half decent factory load I've found is the 140 and 156g Norma Vulcan's, and even then, they are by no means excellent across the game spectrum.
Not true. Nosler, Lapua, Norma, Prvi, Fiocchi, Federal, Sellier, etc. all load the 6.5x55 to good performance levels.
Yes, you could make your hand loads faster, but more often than not at an expense--accuracy, noise, recoil, cost, etc.
The efficiency of the cartridge and its bullet doesn't require magnum pressure levels.
When one studies ballistics from an internal, external and terminal perspective, you begin to have a strong appreciation for the older cartridges purely from a design point of view. It's as if the designers considered all aspects of performance including the human one. They tend to balance the tradeoffs better and do not consider superfluous "what ifs."
When one considers the research and development (i.e. money and time) and will to succeed in developing those old military cartridges, they got them damn near perfect.
Yet, the old designers value engineered cartridges which compromised on all aspects, to make things which worked well, lasted, and got better over the next 100 years.
7x57 Mauser started with a 175-gr bullet at 2,350 fps, then got better as new powders and bullets were developed.
6.5 Norwegian Krag was almost there, then Paul Mauser gave the king of Sweden 75 rifles in sporting, infantry and calvary configuration to test with higher pressures, and we still have the 6.5x55 Swede with us.
The 8x57I showed they were on to something. The 1888 Commission Rifle was a start, but the 1898 Mauser and the 8x57IS with 154-gr bullets at 3,000 fps changed the world.
.30-40 Krag was good, but the .30-03 was better, and the 220-gr bullet replaced with the 150-gr at 2,800 fps. That was just the start of a bevy of .30-caliber rifles.
And look at the old rifles not accepted by the militaries: .280 Ross, 7x64 Brenneke, .300 Savage, .30 Newton ( so close to the .300 WSM ).
7x57 Mauser started with a 175-gr bullet at 2,350 fps, then got better as new powders and bullets were developed.
6.5 Norwegian Krag was almost there, then Paul Mauser gave the king of Sweden 75 rifles in sporting, infantry and calvary configuration to test with higher pressures, and we still have the 6.5x55 Swede with us.
The 8x57I showed they were on to something. The 1888 Commission Rifle was a start, but the 1898 Mauser and the 8x57IS with 154-gr bullets at 3,000 fps changed the world.
.30-40 Krag was good, but the .30-03 was better, and the 220-gr bullet replaced with the 150-gr at 2,800 fps. That was just the start of a bevy of .30-caliber rifles.
And look at the old rifles not accepted by the militaries: .280 Ross, 7x64 Brenneke, .300 Savage, .30 Newton ( so close to the .300 WSM ).
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