BQWV Consultation

I see they have dropped the requirement for all venison to pass through an AGHE to qualify as BQWV. Good news for smaller producers but I'm still not convinced it provides any more than the current legislative framework (other than more cost and a new badge).

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More cost and a new badge, no thanks, I am happy to remain a 'Fred in a shed' 😂
 
I've attached the Draft V2 standard.

Sadly, whilst I do note some positive changes, under my current arrangements, I still cannot qualify as a processor and, given the absence of local BQWV AGHE/Processors, I sadly see no benefit in the addition of further documentation and record keeping to merely qualify as a BQWV producer. I do not not necessarily disagree with some of the BQWV Producer requirements but, at the volume/scale I work at, it remains disproportionate. For example, over and above my extant documentation and processes, to be an accredited producer I would need to produce and document to BQWV assessors standards:

  • 1.2: A complaints proceedure
  • 1.3: An emergency plan
  • 1.7: Documented COSHH assessment
  • 1.8: A Risk Policy
  • Additional site changes to support 4.3 (chiller surroundings) and 4.5 (annual calibration of temperature readers)
Sadly, I'm destined to remain a "Fred in a Shed" too.
 

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I've attached the Draft V2 standard.

Sadly, whilst I do note some positive changes, under my current arrangements, I still cannot qualify as a processor and, given the absence of local BQWV AGHE/Processors, I sadly see no benefit in the addition of further documentation and record keeping to merely qualify as a BQWV producer. I do not not necessarily disagree with some of the BQWV Producer requirements but, at the volume/scale I work at, it remains disproportionate. For example, over and above my extant documentation and processes, to be an accredited producer I would need to produce and document to BQWV assessors standards:

  • 1.2: A complaints proceedure
  • 1.3: An emergency plan
  • 1.7: Documented COSHH assessment
  • 1.8: A Risk Policy
  • Additional site changes to support 4.3 (chiller surroundings) and 4.5 (annual calibration of temperature readers)
Sadly, I'm destined to remain a "Fred in a Shed" too.
I am in the same boat and would not qualify as a BQWV Processor, and will not be going down the producer route either.

Am I reading it right that if an AGHE was to become an accredited BQWV processor then all carcasses have to be from BQWV producers? Or at least those not from personnel on an approved list, be segregated, meaning they would not be able to be sold under the BQWV label?

Or have I misread completely?
 
I am in the same boat and would not qualify as a BQWV Processor, and will not be going down the producer route either.

Am I reading it right that if an AGHE was to become an accredited BQWV processor then all carcasses have to be from BQWV producers? Or at least those not from personnel on an approved list, be segregated, meaning they would not be able to be sold under the BQWV label?

Or have I misread completely?
I share your pain!

That's my reading too, but much easier to manage in the likes of Vickers, Oakland Park, etc.
 
Thanks for flagging this, I'll look later. I've just registered locally as a food business and I feel this might not be a bad idea to make it harder for poachers to supply pubs etc
 
Thanks for flagging this, I'll look later. I've just registered locally as a food business and I feel this might not be a bad idea to make it harder for poachers to supply pubs etc
Good luck! That was my thoughts but the hoops to jump through to get solely producer accreditation with no local BQWV Processor to take it means it's a waste of time and money as I would not be able to label my products, only the carcasses.

My response to the consultation adds more detail:

Thank-you for the opportunity to comment on the Draft V2 of the BQWV Standard.
Sadly, whilst I do note some positive changes, under my current arrangements, I still cannot qualify as a processor and, given the absence of local BQWV AGHE/Processors, I see no benefit in the addition of further documentation, processes and record keeping to merely qualify as a BQWV producer if there is no improved route-to-market. I do not necessarily disagree with the majority of the BQWV Producer requirements but, at the volume/scale I work at, some remain disproportionate and arguably unnecessary activities. For example, over and above my extant documentation and processes, to be an accredited producer I would need to produce and document to BQWV assessors’ standards:
  • 1.2: A complaints procedure
  • 1.3: An emergency plan
  • 1.7: Documented COSHH assessment
  • 1.8: A Risk Policy
  • Additional site changes to support 4.3 (chiller surroundings) and 4.5 (annual calibration of temperature readers)
I am a Limited VAT-registered company with 5* Local Authority Food Business registration where I am the sole producer, director, and owner. Typically, I take around 50 carcasses a year from my local area (last year was 75) but with no AGHE in my local area and the small number of carcasses typically available at any time, I process the venison in my domestic situation for sale to locals and through a very local Farm Shop. The Standards as written frankly do not support such modest enterprises where the sales revenue does not support investment in enhanced facilities. I’m very much stuck in a “Catch-22” situation where the deer need managing but are not present in sufficient numbers to warrant (and recoup) additional investment. Sadly, I'm destined to remain a "Fred in a Shed" and I see even at V2, the BQWV Scheme is aimed at much larger enterprises where it is both reasonable and economically viable to conduct all the processes and activities required for BQWV accreditation. I haven’t even looked at the producer charges but having made a loss last year I cannot afford additional expenses for no material gain to my turnover. Those few carcasses not processed by myself and sold in fur within the local area principally through word-of-mouth or social media, solve any potential need to move excess carcasses into an AGHE or BQWV Processor where frankly I would get less money.
I despair at the lack of a co-ordinated pan-Government Department strategy to manage deer in the landscape and most importantly, create a meaningful route to market for the venison that results. Whilst NE’s recent Deer Strategy and FE’s woodland support grants are promoting increased management, nothing has been done to stimulate the market for venison and with the new CL55 night-shooting licences I foresee increasing numbers of carcasses being presented to an already over-supplied small AGHE/Processor chain for minimal revenue. Indeed, there is open discussion of carcass disposal as being the only viable route in deer heavy areas such as Sussex or Lincs. Small-scale producers like me are arguably considerably more numerous than the Oakland Parks, Vickers, Hampshire Game, Highland Game, etc, and are possibly processing more animals in total, yet there is no simpler registration option.
In summary, even with the changes V2 introduces, I see the BQWV scheme remaining as a tool for the large suppliers already active in this market and not for the more modest producers and processors like me.
 
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I'm just reading this through again as I finish off my comments. The big improvement over V1 seems to be the removal of the explicit need for all carcasses to pass through an AGHE.

However, they have now included a requirement that all venison must pass through an approved processor in order to be labelled. And to become an approved processor, you basically need to operate at the level of an AGHE, including metal detection equipment for bullet fragments plus the stuff @wytonpjs noted above.

So we're basically in the same position as V1.
 
As @wytonpjs and @75 has said, the additional hoops to jump through will rule out almost all small scale venison producers.

I think I will just keep plodding along, processing what I shoot and selling it for good value to my local community via home sales, farmers markets and through the local butcher.

Surely this scheme will only drive up the price on the shelf for venison? I saw on social media the other day a company that is selling their venison loin at £75 a kilo. I mean this could in turn be beneficial for the "Fred in a shed" type set up where people are looking for a more local, cost effective source.

They bang on about standards but the last time I used a Game Dealer (Very rare that I do), they collected half a dozen fallow from me. Small refrigerated van pulled up, checked carcass weights, proceeded to throw them in the van in a heap, shut the doors and drove off. Yet we as the stalkers are preached at day in day out about the standard of our processing / carcass management.

And breathe..............
 
Surely this scheme will only drive up the price on the shelf for venison?

From my consultation response:

The standard (and Government-wide approach) fails to fundamentally address the issue of creating a meaningful route to market so it is laughable to think BQWV will achieve a premium, especially with the new CL55 Night Shooting license where more, not less, venison will enter the food chain.

So in my view, no it won't. It might actually do the opposite if it is widely taken up by retailers and become the "norm" (without any increase in price) so us "Fred in the Shed" producers become a "lower tier". I can't see anything increasing the venison price with potentially more coming into the market.
 
From my consultation response:



So in my view, no it won't. It might actually do the opposite if it is widely taken up by retailers and become the "norm" (without any increase in price) so us "Fred in the Shed" producers become a "lower tier". I can't see anything increasing the venison price with potentially more coming into the market.
I see your point but disagree. Build a customer base and they won’t go elsewhere.

I would never consider my product as “low tier”
 
Some people will see this as a way to market for their venison, spending thousands to meet the required standards. This cost will need to be recouped from somewhere, hence the price increase to the consumer. I can keep my prices low enough without dropping my standards so potential for market growth is there.

Just need to figure out a cost effective way for mail order and my outflow will increase significantly but not there yet.
 
Just need to figure out a cost effective way for mail order and my outflow will increase significantly but not there yet.
I gave up on this a long time ago because of my volumes - yes, at times there’s too much stock on hand but then I repeatedly blank and it’s back to minimal holdings with me wondering how I can satisfy regulars. Costs of shipping are high and order quantities need to be large to make it cost effective and then there the issue of the reliability of the courier and of course, lost deliveries and unscrupulous customers. Resigned to staying local with a limited delivery service and collection from the premises. I’ve given up of growing my business larger as there’s just not the return in it to offset the expense of growing it. My EHO is comfortable with my facilities given the scale of my operation and the risk associated with that. Make it bigger, and substantial (and costly) changes will be needed. Good luck!
 
I gave up on this a long time ago because of my volumes - yes, at times there’s too much stock on hand but then I repeatedly blank and it’s back to minimal holdings with me wondering how I can satisfy regulars. Costs of shipping are high and order quantities need to be large to make it cost effective and then there the issue of the reliability of the courier and of course, lost deliveries and unscrupulous customers. Resigned to staying local with a limited delivery service and collection from the premises. I’ve given up of growing my business larger as there’s just not the return in it to offset the expense of growing it. My EHO is comfortable with my facilities given the scale of my operation and the risk associated with that. Make it bigger, and substantial (and costly) changes will be needed. Good luck!
I do have the odd customer that I will mail orders to, but those are generally big enough so that the cost is worth it. I am in a fortunate position whereby my current set up has room for expansion at minimal cost, but with a job / location move (Mon-Fri) around the corner I think I will just keep going as I am.

I think once I have a bit more free time I am going to explore the RTE side of the business some more. But again this comes with it's own additional costs as separate equipment is needed for processing these items.

Think it may of been @VSS that found this out the hard way if I remember correctly.

Certainly makes life easier when you are posting salamis / biltong etc.
 
From my consultation response:



So in my view, no it won't. It might actually do the opposite if it is widely taken up by retailers and become the "norm" (without any increase in price) so us "Fred in the Shed" producers become a "lower tier". I can't see anything increasing the venison price with potentially more coming into the market.
Yep that’s the reality of the meat markets
 
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I see your point but disagree. Build a customer base and they won’t go elsewhere.

I would never consider my product as “low tier”
I have built a customer base - from nothing to moving c.40-50 reds per season. I generally can't keep up with demand from returning customers - that wasn't my point.

Personally I don't consider my product "low tier" - it's categorically as good as any other venison out there (if not better - mine doesn't get heaped in the back of a van for transport by a game dealer etc!) but I won't be able to achieve BQWV status so, on paper, it doesn't look as high quality as BQWV tagged product. And if BQWV is so widely adopted that it becomes the "norm" (I doubt it!) then my non-BQWV product is seen as inferior. Even though it's definitely not!

Definitely worst case scenario as I can't see uptake being that high personally so probably won't be an issue.
 
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