DEFRA consultation on banning trail hunting.

Siggy

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please could people take time to review this. In my opinion the use of dogs to follow up wounded deer will remain legal under the section 1 of the hunting with dogs act 2004 but there is a risk that we will no long be able to lay blood trails to train our dogs. Obviously untrained dogs are going to be less effective so this is an unintended consequence which will have profound welfare impact.

I believe we need a specific exemption to allow us to train dogs

Secondly we need to avoid legislation that tightens up the requirement that dogs they need to be "under control" already defined but the Hunting with Dogs act 2004 - dogs need to be able to work independently when they are following up highly mobile deer -e.g. leg shot/head shot or in thick or dangerous terrain - e.g steep clear fell or blackthorn/bramble scrub.
(Ideally we would have a revision of the 2004 act which would allow deer stalkers dogs to work independently without direct control but I think that is too much to ask for.)
 

please could people take time to review this. In my opinion the use of dogs to follow up wounded deer will remain legal under the section 1 of the hunting with dogs act 2004 but there is a risk that we will no long be able to lay blood trails to train our dogs. Obviously untrained dogs are going to be less effective so this is an unintended consequence which will have profound welfare impact.

I believe we need a specific exemption to allow us to train dogs

Secondly we need to avoid legislation that tightens up the requirement that dogs they need to be "under control" already defined but the Hunting with Dogs act 2004 - dogs need to be able to work independently when they are following up highly mobile deer -e.g. leg shot/head shot or in thick or dangerous terrain - e.g steep clear fell or blackthorn/bramble scrub.
(Ideally we would have a revision of the 2004 act which would allow deer stalkers dogs to work independently without direct control but I think that is too much to ask for.)
Another thread on here already on this.

Also, even training a dog on actually injured/running deer would arguably be using animal scent for training. It could become impossible to use dogs at all. That on top of impacts in other areas such as conservation (pest detection).
 
Another thread on here already on this.

Also, even training a dog on actually injured/running deer would arguably be using animal scent for training. It could become impossible to use dogs at all. That on top of impacts in other areas such as conservation (pest detection).
hi,
there is a thread about the proposal from 27-Dec and one about the petition, but I believe this is the first one about the actual consultation which came out yesterday.
 
hi,
there is a thread about the proposal from 27-Dec and one about the petition, but I believe this is the first one about the actual consultation which came out yesterday.
Consultation is linked in the other one but TBH more mentions gets this a higher profile.
 
They don’t want anyone to work dogs on wild animals
Thin end of the wedge don’t think the rabid anti thinks your doing deer a favour finding it with a dog due to a badly placed shot 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
Don’t want to be defeatist but that all a can see for the future
Ffs they banning greyhound racing in wales
 
It seems to me the Antis target registered Hunts and are not roaming the countryside looking for the odd deer stalker training his gun dog with blood trails. They are unlikely to be in same The only time i came head to head with Antis and had car chases at night down lanes in Devon ( turn your lights off that confuses them) and avoiding their patrols (their torches are like 2nd WW search lights) after taking a shot was on the legal pig cull. After the first year many of the townies just gave up. I have avoided public footpaths and trained my two HPR's on deer without a problem.
 
It seems to me the Antis target registered Hunts and are not roaming the countryside looking for the odd deer stalker training his gun dog with blood trails.
They will be.
They are unlikely to be in same The only time i came head to head with Antis and had car chases at night down lanes in Devon ( turn your lights off that confuses them) and avoiding their patrols (their torches are like 2nd WW search lights) after taking a shot was on the legal pig cull.
If it was legal, why were you engaging in car chases? Doesn't sound wise
After the first year many of the townies just gave up. I have avoided public footpaths and trained my two HPR's on deer without a problem.
 
Simple reason i had a gun , ammo and dead badgers in back of car and i did not want to have a car load of Antis with Go Pro cameras getting my face, car reg, gun, badgers plastered all over social media which had a lot of podcasts put out by Brian May, Packham and other nutters. They also used to follow shooters to their homes and you then got your address on the webb and subsequent night visits by graffiti artists ! The official DEFRA policy was to avoid direct confrontation wherever possible.
 
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