3030 and Barnes!

Smellydog

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Big big thanks to @palmer_mike who kindly sent me a box full of Barnes 110gn ttsx .308" intended for ACC blackout.
All I can say is wow!

First off I pulled the plastic. Also checked col to groove.IMG_20260413_180131755.webp
To long by a fat gnats organ, wouldn't cycle.

Next was see if Hogdens gave data for cfe223 and 110gn bullets. They don't but do for blc2 which I always thought is similar to cfe223 and sure enough cfe223 is just two spaces slower on the chart so I dumped listed max in the 4 prepared cases, 39gn and then seated the bullets to max length to which they were happy to cycle in the action and a firm crimp was also added all be it not in the groove.
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I hastely grabbed some card to make a target and rushed out to test them as the sun was dropping quickly.
At the first shot I thought crickey, that sounds like my old 308! That was 20" barreled and burning just 11gn more than this 24" barreled 3030 so I guess it was going to sound louder than normal!
Anyway it shot low and I wasn't surprised because they were obviously out of the barrel sooner!
Shot #2 was also down low and close to the first.
It was shot #3 that all hell broke loose. The target exploded with confetti everywhere!
At first I thought these bullets are nasty but it soon dawned on me the bullet had hit dirt just at the bottom of the card and exploded destroying the target,,,IMG_20260413_193923598.webp bugger.
I did find a shard of bullet though.
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Would I like a piece of that in my gut by accidentally injesting it instead of lead? No way!
Anyway, I had one round left so I turned the card around and shot at a 1&1/2" circle only I used the lower reticle post to give some elevation and there it was.
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These seem so much more promising than the Hornady monoflex I tried last summer. I was going to try them on deer last winter but could not bring myself to do it due to finding in tact bullets with no expansion during testing.
Hardly humane so because I think more of the animals than I do bureaucrats....

The four leg things are definitely a boon to testing? So all is not lost if I do give up on them in the field.

Thanks once more Mike 🙏, I think these will work.
 
Big big thanks to @palmer_mike who kindly sent me a box full of Barnes 110gn ttsx .308" intended for ACC blackout.
All I can say is wow!

First off I pulled the plastic. Also checked col to groove.View attachment 470143
To long by a fat gnats organ, wouldn't cycle.

Next was see if Hogdens gave data for cfe223 and 110gn bullets. They don't but do for blc2 which I always thought is similar to cfe223 and sure enough cfe223 is just two spaces slower on the chart so I dumped listed max in the 4 prepared cases, 39gn and then seated the bullets to max length to which they were happy to cycle in the action and a firm crimp was also added all be it not in the groove.
View attachment 470144
I hastely grabbed some card to make a target and rushed out to test them as the sun was dropping quickly.
At the first shot I thought crickey, that sounds like my old 308! That was 20" barreled and burning just 11gn more than this 24" barreled 3030 so I guess it was going to sound louder than normal!
Anyway it shot low and I wasn't surprised because they were obviously out of the barrel sooner!
Shot #2 was also down low and close to the first.
It was shot #3 that all hell broke loose. The target exploded with confetti everywhere!
At first I thought these bullets are nasty but it soon dawned on me the bullet had hit dirt just at the bottom of the card and exploded destroying the target,,,View attachment 470145 bugger.
I did find a shard of bullet though.
View attachment 470146
Would I like a piece of that in my gut by accidentally injesting it instead of lead? No way!
Anyway, I had one round left so I turned the card around and shot at a 1&1/2" circle only I used the lower reticle post to give some elevation and there it was.
View attachment 470147

These seem so much more promising than the Hornady monoflex I tried last summer. I was going to try them on deer last winter but could not bring myself to do it due to finding in tact bullets with no expansion during testing.
Hardly humane so because I think more of the animals than I do bureaucrats....

The four leg things are definitely a boon to testing? So all is not lost if I do give up on them in the field.

Thanks once more Mike 🙏, I think these will work.
Looks promising.

What speed were you getting with the monoflex? I’m getting good expansion with the 45-70s at relatively low speeds, interesting that you’re not seeing the same with the .308s.
 
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Looks promising.

What speed were you getting with the monoflex? I’m getting good expansion with the 45-70s at relatively low speeds, internet that you’re not seeing the same with the .308s.
I don't know is the short answer but on my struggles to get a near useful group I ran them quite hot with theee powders! That didn't work either but they were over book.

The 4570 has a wide frontal area and heck, if it doesn't expand you are getting two big leaking holes regardless!
 
I don't know is the short answer but on my struggles to get a near useful group I ran them quite hot with theee powders! That didn't work either but they were over book.

The 4570 has a wide frontal area and heck, if it doesn't expand you are getting two big leaking holes regardless!
Who knows, I bought some to try in the 30-30 but having found the yew tree load I’ve not bothered. I may have a play in .308 as they’ll be zipping along and I really like the expansion I’m getting in 45-70.
 
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