.204 for Roe in Scotland?
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daven
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let the grownups talk and stop hijacking threads...
Personally I used to be quite sceptical of .22 cals and 50-60 g on roe, and thus used to shoot .243, 6.5x55 and later 30-06...
When I turned to the .223, I was astounded by the efficiency they put roe down with. With a traditional soft point, at ethical ranges (sub 200m), the .22 cal delivers hydrostatic shock and can drop roe in their tracks. Now, so can a .243 of course, if the bullet is put through bone to initiate expansion..but I have seen more runners in .243 and 6.5x55 and even with 30-06 than with the .22 cals.
I recall Paul (then, @barony) commenting on his .375H&H and how even ‘that’ was letting reds run up to 100yds+ after a good H/L shot.
It’s all about delivering the right bullet into the right place, with the right velocity.
Interestingly, the 6.5x55 is drumming up tremendous popularity in the UK for deerstalking, but oddly, of all the calibres I’ve seen and used on deer, it’s probably the worst for dropping deer quickly and delivering hydrostatic shock.
The two most effective I’ve seen are the .222 and .223 with 50-60g soft points, .243 with 85-87g SP and HP through H/L or neck, and through shoulders,, 85g, 95g and 100g partitions, and the factory norma 100g SP.
The 30-06 with a 180g partition is also a very effective round on larger deer through bone. Leaves roe running, and reds stumbling about a bit when put through soft tissue.
As for .204 with 50g...well, like others have said, if you can deliver a bullet with stability and with the integrity needed to avoid bullet blow up, then in theory there’s nothing wrong with it,,but IMHO, it’s just making life difficult for yourself
As for Bergers on roe...suss...
When I turned to the .223, I was astounded by the efficiency they put roe down with. With a traditional soft point, at ethical ranges (sub 200m), the .22 cal delivers hydrostatic shock and can drop roe in their tracks. Now, so can a .243 of course, if the bullet is put through bone to initiate expansion..but I have seen more runners in .243 and 6.5x55 and even with 30-06 than with the .22 cals.
I recall Paul (then, @barony) commenting on his .375H&H and how even ‘that’ was letting reds run up to 100yds+ after a good H/L shot.
It’s all about delivering the right bullet into the right place, with the right velocity.
Interestingly, the 6.5x55 is drumming up tremendous popularity in the UK for deerstalking, but oddly, of all the calibres I’ve seen and used on deer, it’s probably the worst for dropping deer quickly and delivering hydrostatic shock.
The two most effective I’ve seen are the .222 and .223 with 50-60g soft points, .243 with 85-87g SP and HP through H/L or neck, and through shoulders,, 85g, 95g and 100g partitions, and the factory norma 100g SP.
The 30-06 with a 180g partition is also a very effective round on larger deer through bone. Leaves roe running, and reds stumbling about a bit when put through soft tissue.
As for .204 with 50g...well, like others have said, if you can deliver a bullet with stability and with the integrity needed to avoid bullet blow up, then in theory there’s nothing wrong with it,,but IMHO, it’s just making life difficult for yourself
As for Bergers on roe...suss...
Cut+Squirt
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Personally I used to be quite sceptical of .22 cals and 50-60 g on roe, and thus used to shoot .243, 6.5x55 and later 30-06...
When I turned to the .223, I was astounded by the efficiency they put roe down with. With a traditional soft point, at ethical ranges (sub 200m), the .22 cal delivers hydrostatic shock and can drop roe in their tracks. Now, so can a .243 of course, if the bullet is put through bone to initiate expansion..but I have seen more runners in .243 and 6.5x55 and even with 30-06 than with the .22 cals.
I recall Paul (then, @barony) commenting on his .375H&H and how even ‘that’ was letting reds run up to 100yds+ after a good H/L shot.
It’s all about delivering the right bullet into the right place, with the right velocity.
Interestingly, the 6.5x55 is drumming up tremendous popularity in the UK for deerstalking, but oddly, of all the calibres I’ve seen and used on deer, it’s probably the worst for dropping deer quickly and delivering hydrostatic shock.
The two most effective I’ve seen are the .222 and .223 with 50-60g soft points, .243 with 85-87g SP and HP through H/L or neck, and through shoulders,, 85g, 95g and 100g partitions, and the factory norma 100g SP.
The 30-06 with a 180g partition is also a very effective round on larger deer through bone. Leaves roe running, and reds stumbling about a bit when put through soft tissue.
As for .204 with 50g...well, like others have said, if you can deliver a bullet with stability and with the integrity needed to avoid bullet blow up, then in theory there’s nothing wrong with it,,but IMHO, it’s just making life difficult for yourself
As for Bergers on roe...suss...
Spoken by someone who obviously has practical experience of these calibres ..
I couldn't agree more .. at stalking ranges up to say 200 yards, I think the
.222 and .223 are unbeatable at dropping roe on the spot.. .
daven
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now you're just bein a troll and showing your ignorance.... The OP asked for opinions and I gave mine like 2 pages of other folks did... You do whatever makes you happy and I'll stick to using what I feel is right..... Now, get over your hurt feelings and get off my ass...
What an earth are you talking about? Are you just picking a fight to see if you can get some of your anti Daven pals to pile in as its a slow TV day?
What is your point exactly??
jimbo1984
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My point is he doesn't have a clue about what he's talking about ! He just spouts constant crap about stalking and hunting over here without any idea , the arrogance he displays is mind blowing! But hey maybe he's right and I should go and buy a 30 06 and use it on squirrels!!
Jimbo
you are wrong on this thread and you are picking a fight for no reason - I respectively suggest you take a deep breath and apologise for your out of order and over the top comments ......
Dawnraider
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Probably pushing the limits in my opinion, definately a case of bigger is better.
jimbo1984
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With all due respect to you sir I won't apologize at all I'm not wrong the sub .30 calibres ( within reason) are fine for roe and the guy knows nothing about hunting or shooting here so nope no apologies here , now if you'll excuse me I'm off lamping in half an hour with the 7 mm , hope it's big enough to knock over Charlie's :/
Paul at Fechan
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some people have no idea, I'd rather shoot a Scottish roe with a .204 and minimum legal standards than an English Red with a .243 at minimum legal standards 
60lb roe v's 1000ft-lb = 16.7 ft-lb per live weight pound
300lb red v's 1700ft-lb = 5.7 ft-lb per live weight pound
and proportionately the diameter of the .204 is more that the .240 in scaling from roe to red respectively
60lb roe v's 1000ft-lb = 16.7 ft-lb per live weight pound
300lb red v's 1700ft-lb = 5.7 ft-lb per live weight pound
and proportionately the diameter of the .204 is more that the .240 in scaling from roe to red respectively
bewsher500
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Ha didn't see the date on it!!
daven
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Don't let him get to you........
Quite!
I haven't commented on the question as I stalk with a 308, 9.3 x 62 and a 9.3 x 74 and cannot understand some stalkers obsession with using the smallest possible calibres to do the job ....
Karamojo Bell shot hundreds of elephants with a 275 Rigby from memory ...... doesn't mean it was the right calibre for the job ..... but suited him. For me, a smaller calibre than say a 222 or 223 for Roe deer just seems wrong ..... but that's just my opinion and clearly many argue otherwise!
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