243 fazination???

[Paul at Fechan]

Have you gentlemen considered that perhaps the "Authorities" don't want you to have a caliber they could not cut-off easily. If you were to get a 308 and something happen you might be able to rebell. And ammo, you could use de-linked ammuniton from the LMG. A fellow sniper instructor of mine once said "If you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machine gun ammunition you are a poser".

Any way, Would you rather your wife describe your performance as "adequate" or "more than required"?

SS

nah, nothing to do with that. Here in the uk, it's all health and safety and public safety related philosophy. If you know the score with you're entitlements and the system with good reason you can get big stuff no problem, that is if you're willing to bare the pain and suffering of paperwork and firearms licensing officers that think they know all

 

[Southern]

The Lake City M80 is pretty good stuff.
As a member of the militia under the Militia Act of 1792, it is my duty to have a proper rifle and handgun, which means I need to be able to shoot what the regulars are shooting: 9mm, .45 ACP, .38, 5.56 and 7.62x51, .30-06.... and I guess now, .300 WM.

Of course, you can always form .243 Win from .308 brass.

 

[247sniper]

It is a commonly held truth in the US that the 22LR has probably accounted for more deer than all other calibers combined.

And probally accounted for the most wouded deer also!

 

[MARCBO]

And probally accounted for the most wouded deer also!

May be true. That is again why a larger bore i.e. 308 is much superior to a 243 for hunting deer or any species.

SS

 

[Southern]

I bet a lot of deer have been jacklighted with police service revolvers and pistols.

I once got a can of M60 linked belt that had Lake City M118 in it instead of M80 ball. I still have a little of that stuff. Every .308 I buy gets 5 run through it as a standard test.

 

[MARCBO]

I once got a can of M60 linked belt that had Lake City M118 in it instead of M80 ball.

Battle-rattle competition teams often linked up M118 for use in the M60s.

SS

 

[Uncle Buck]

Any way, Would you rather your wife describe your performance as "adequate" or "more than required"?

SS

Pardon the pun MACBO....

you have to remember "you can only pee with the coke you've got" son....

that'll do nicely !


Rgds, Buck.

 

[MARCBO]

"you can only pee with the coke you've got" son....

But in this case you have a choice, commando, briefs or pink bikinis!

 

[MARCBO]

Remington's 244/6mm cartridge is basically the 243 with a different name and just as borderline as a deer cartridge. How come I see no mention of it? Remington at least had the good sense when they introduced the cartridge to do it with a lighter bullet as a varmint round. Only after they saw the success Winchester had pusing the 243 as a deer round did Remington change the twist rate and introduce heavier bullets.

SS

 

[Brithunter]

How come I see no mention of it?

Simple ....... it's uncommon here. Not many places stock ANY ammunition in 6mm Remington Heck it can be hard enough to obtain new unprimed brass for it.

The 6mm Remington is of course the 7mm Mauser case necked down to 6mm. This is my one:-





Parker-Hale 1200V (Varmint) in 6mm Remington

 

[Southern]

I have had only .243s for a short time before passing them along to friends who like the .243.

I had a Browning single shot B78 in 6mm Remington that was super accurate. I don't have enough experience with the .243 to compare, but the 6x57 has such a long neck and good bullet seating that it seems to be made for the 100-gr bullets. The one deer I shot with it did not take a step. I had intended to rebarrel it to .30-06, but a friend begged me for that whole rig, too.

 

[MARCBO]

Simple ....... it's uncommon here. Not many places stock ANY ammunition in 6mm Remington Heck it can be hard enough to obtain new unprimed brass for it.

The 6mm Remington is of course the 7mm Mauser case necked down to 6mm. This is my one:-





Parker-Hale 1200V (Varmint) in 6mm Remington

Believe it is a necked down 257R but it is sort of academic.

http://theintermountain.com/page/co...ington-Has-an-Interesting-History.html?nav=22

 

[Brithunter]

Believe it is a necked down 257R but it is sort of academic.

http://theintermountain.com/page/co...ington-Has-an-Interesting-History.html?nav=22

Ahh yes as the .257 Roberts is the 7mm Mauser necked down. Before Bremmer Arms did the dirty and killed P-H I was having a custom .257 Roberts AI built by them on a Springfield 03 receiver. Still have the spec list somewhere, or should have, in on of the files.

 

[Southern]

Look out, now, I need to finish my two current 1903 projects before you get me back on something like a full stock carbine in a late 1930s style.
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[MARCBO]

Ahh yes as the .257 Roberts is the 7mm Mauser necked down. Before Bremmer Arms did the dirty and killed P-H I was having a custom .257 Roberts AI built by them on a Springfield 03 receiver. Still have the spec list somewhere, or should have, in on of the files.

The 7 Mauser is such a great cartridge and even better with handloads, I have never understood why it is not in wider use. Certainly far superior to the 243 and a 7mm bullet is just about optimum in terms of sectional density for long range.

SS

 

[User00003]

The 7 Mauser is such a great cartridge and even better with handloads, I have never understood why it is not in wider use. Certainly far superior to the 243 and a 7mm bullet is just about optimum in terms of sectional density for long range.

SS

SS, you seem like a gent with very broad experience, can you share any experiences/views between 300H&H and .308 Norma? I ask with genuine interest in them for a mix between medium to large game, from deer to pigs, from woodland to long range.

Peter

 

[MARCBO]

Peter,

On those two I have no experince behind the buttplate although I have built a couple of rifles in 308NM. The owners seemed happy with their 308NMs but I have not had anyone ask for more than 20 years. The 300h/h has been largely superceded by the win mag and is probably close to extinction. Don't know when exactly I last saw a rifle in the caliber or even a box of ammo on the shelf. Don't know why you would built one now.

 

[User00003]

Peter,

On those two I have no experince behind the buttplate although I have built a couple of rifles in 308NM. The owners seemed happy with their 308NMs but I have not had anyone ask for more than 20 years. The 300h/h has been largely superceded by the win mag and is probably close to extinction. Don't know when exactly I last saw a rifle in the caliber or even a box of ammo on the shelf. Don't know why you would built one now.

appreciate the reply. I'd build the 300H&H because it can fit into std. M98 action with only minor modifications as you probably know all too well, I like the idea of the classic chambering and the fact that it doesn't necessarily require a magnum length action. I love M98's you see, so it makes perfect sense to me also, the shoulders makes it look like it would feed beautifully, and that's really what puts me off the norma.

 

[alberta boy]

appreciate the reply. I'd build the 300H&H because it can fit into std. M98 action with only minor modifications as you probably know all too well, I like the idea of the classic chambering and the fact that it doesn't necessarily require a magnum length action. I love M98's you see, so it makes perfect sense to me also, the shoulders makes it look like it would feed beautifully, and that's really what puts me off the norma.

I have owned and hunted with both calibers . They're both really effective and useful rounds . I'm like you , I do love Mauser 98's in any flavor . I had an older model Parker Hale , it was built on a military 98 action with the thumb slot in the left receiver wall , that was chambered in 308 Norma Mag . It was an accurate , reliable rig that took a fair amount of big game. To be honest , I was a fool to sell it , it was a great all round rifle/cartridge combo .

The 300 H&H was a pre-64 Model 70 Winchester . I only used it to take two deer with , a white-tail and a large mulie buck . It was a gorgeous hunting rifle , but I had a young growing family and bills to pay as a young father and had to sell it , another one I regret , especially with the price of the same rifle 25 years later . As MARCBO points out , the 300 WM and to a lesser extent the 300 WSM have taken over that ballistic niche , but I suspect you are like me . There is something about a classic old rifle chambered in a cartridge that some may consider obsolete but still works perfectly for the task at hand . If it were me , I'd probably go for the H&H , mostly because it's an excellent cartridge , but also because it's just cool lol . Hope this helps .

AB

 

[MARCBO]

appreciate the reply. I'd build the 300H&H because it can fit into std. M98 action with only minor modifications as you probably know all too well, I like the idea of the classic chambering and the fact that it doesn't necessarily require a magnum length action. I love M98's you see, so it makes perfect sense to me also, the shoulders makes it look like it would feed beautifully, and that's really what puts me off the norma.

If you try to put it in a standard M98 action you will have to enlarge the magazine well. This means cutting some of the support away in the front receiver ring. Never a very good idea. I know countless M98s have been so modified but still not a good idea.

FWIW: I do not think there is a great feeding advantage to the long tapered form over one of the more modern 300s and some may argue that the H&H is inherently less accurate than the others because of how it aligns in the chamber. Of course handloading will allow you to fire-form your case to the chamber but if you don't reload, you are stuck with what comes off the shelf and that ammo is loaded to mean liability concerns considering guns shooting that cartridge (M98s) could now be well over 100 years old.

SS