3 Hypothetical scenarios.....

[limulus]

I thought the rule in Scotland was 'if its brown its down'?..............................legs it

 

[stone]

MS
what an interesting set of scenarios
I did chuckle when I read them,

What do the conditions of your FAC say in relation to the firearm you would be using??

As Drive by's and shooting out of a vehichle are not classed as Deer stalking from my understanding,
Those activities come under the wording/conditon Deer control or words to that effect , not stalking
so you may well be in breech of the conditions set on your FAC
Just a thought

 

[Tamus]

MS
As Drive by's and shooting out of a vehichle are not classed as Deer stalking from my understanding,
Those activities come under the wording/conditon Deer control or words to that effect , not stalking
so you may well be in breech of the conditions set on your FAC
Just a thought

I've never actually tried shooting deer from inside a vehicle and I'm not sure of the law in England on this one. As I understand it the Scots "vehicle" offence arises if use a vehicle to drive the deer to the guns. (lovely image that and i now you'll all have fun with it) On a more serious note, I'll stand to be educated here if someone cares to tell me that shooting at deer from a stationary vehicle is an offence in Scotland.

 

[Monkey Spanker]

yes you have broken the law because i thought that it was illegal to shoot deer from a motor vehicle (i may stand corrected tho) and even if your not breaking the law tho you have just wasted what could have been 3 really good stalking trips

No! perfectly legal to shoot deer from a stationary vehicle these days!

Also, as a deer 'manager', I would not view this as 3 wasted trips!
I would view it more as 2 saved trips allowing me to concentrate my efforts somewhere else on my 50,000 acres of permission - Hypothetically of course!

I would have thought with a user name such as "Sir Lamp a Lot" you may have been more supportive of my hypothetical actions!!

Stone -
My certificate states that: "the rifle, sound moderator and ammunition shall be used for shooting fox/deer/boar and for zeroing on ranges, or land deemed suitable and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot".

So, I've still not broken the law then?!

MS

 

[Tamus]

1. How many of the scenarios would you get up to?
2. Have I broken the law at any time?
3. Is what I have done safe?
4. Is what I have done ethical?
5. Am I a naughty little Monkey!

MS

Re:
1) See my previous answer = No shots.

2) Yes you may have broken the law, more than once. (if you carry out all three scenarios) W-L & Countryside 1981... for starters: Whereby it is an offence to use; (ii)any device for illuminating a target or sighting device for night shooting; .............ex licence, do you have such a licence?

3) Probably not safe. You couldn't identify your target at Sc 1. How well can you possibly be sure of backstops and presence of other people as the light deteriorates?

4)Ethical?... Not if you can't identify your target, be sure it's safe and be acting lawfully.

5) Yes you are a naughty Monkey, I'm meant to be finishing this tiling job and I'm scribbling on the 'puter instead, thanks to you.

 

[Paul at Fechan]

Wow, that's an interesting think. Shooting from a vehicle is only legal providing the engine is off but silhouette shooting is really bad practice for obvious backstop and safety reasons. Using an artificial form of illumination though to locate game or 'deer' with intent to take it? That's dodgy isn't it?

When it is not legally dark there is no legal measure of what is too dark to shoot but without license you can't illuminate a position before the shot even before it isn't legally dark, I'm sure?

In all cases though, there's room for plod to take your ticket and guns off you even if it's just for and extended borrow. If you’re not sure, it's not worth it. I'm sure though MS is testing us....

ps,
i'm at work scribbling lol

 

[Monkey Spanker]

Guilty or not?

re:
1) see my previous answer = no shots.

2) yes you may have broken the law, more than once. (if you carry out all three scenarios) w-l & countryside 1981... For starters: Whereby it is an offence to use; (ii)any device for illuminating a target or sighting device for night shooting; .............ex licence, do you have such a licence?
that's scottish law mate!
deer act uk 1991 states merely:
"taking or killing of deer at night. E+w+s+n.i.
subject to sections 6 and 8 below, if any person takes or intentionally kills any deer between the expiry of the first hour after sunset and the beginning of the last hour before sunrise, he shall be guilty of an offence".

3) probably not safe. You couldn't identify your target at sc 1. How well can you possibly be sure of backstops and presence of other people as the light deteriorates?
it's in my headlights on full beam and i'm looking through my binos! Not only can i see it better than with my eyes at last light, i can even tell you what colour it is! In fact, i can see the whole field including a safe backstop!
4)ethical?... Not if you can't identify your target, be sure it's safe and be acting lawfully.
target identified, backstop safe and don't appear to be breaking any laws?
unless you can prove otherwise in a court of law your honour!
5) yes you are a naughty monkey, i'm meant to be finishing this tiling job and i'm scribbling on the 'puter instead, thanks to you.
indeed, i am!

ms:d

 

[Tamus]

Actually MS, No it's not Scots law. It has got English and Welsh and Scottish clauses in it....but, it's not a "(Scotland) Act" and frankly, I'm really not sure what power it truly has in Scotland.

I refer here to: The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

 

[centralbeltstalker]

tom,

your been reeled in mate just finish the tiling mate.

f.

 

[sweep 6.5x55]

Tamus,

As well as making it illegal to lamp any wild animal the Wildlife and Countryside act also make it illegal to use a semi auto.


Guess I will have to go and buy a new 22 and only shoot bunnies in the day and a new shotgun before I can go fowling again.

Tamus, you have tuly spoiled my weekend.


Stone,

You need to check your conditions on your FAC as you may be on the naughty step if you have shot any deer from one of your highseats.
Shooting a deer from a highseat or ambushing them from a static postion at first or last light is not stalking a deer.

 

[Tamus]

Tamus,

As well as making it illegal to lamp any wild animal the Wildlife and Countryside act also make it illegal to use a semi auto.


Guess I will have to go and buy a new 22 and only shoot bunnies in the day and a new shotgun before I can go fowling again.

Tamus, you have tuly spoiled my weekend.


Stone,

You need to check your conditions on your FAC as you may be on the naughty step if you have shot any deer from one of your highseats.
Shooting a deer from a highseat or ambushing them from a static postion at first or last light is not stalking a deer.

Sweepee don't you start.... I do know about Schedule 6... Geez.

 

[sir-lamp-alot]

I would have thought with a user name such as "Sir Lamp a Lot" you may have been more supportive of my hypothetical actions!!


MS

cheecky ******* !!! i hope that in your hypthetical story that when you picked up the 3 deer your found out that you had shot the local vicar, a girl guide and the land owner whom were all out in deer costumes

 

[rmb1100xxv]

1. How many of the scenarios would you get up to?
2. Have I broken the law at any time?
3. Is what I have done safe?
4. Is what I have done ethical?
5. Am I a naughty little Monkey!

As long as it is legal what's the problem? As long as you feel confident in taking the shot it's all good.
However, what we can say with certainty is that you are not 'a naughty little monkey'. Chimpanzees and humans belong to the family Hominidae, or the great apes.