.303, good enough to fight a war, why is it not widely used for stalking?

i uesd to shot all my game in South Africa with a mill spec p14 .303 , and in real life they do the job fine, not as flat a .270 win.
but out to 200 or so meter with 180 gr bullet they worked on every thing up to kudu, fount it so close to .308 win i never upgraded.
but it 303 had bad rep cause nuggets used mill ball to shoot game with and wonded game is hard to find

so 303 is as good as 308 but you need the write bullet
 
Probably more Red deer killed in the Scottish highlands with the .303 and the M S 6.5X54 than any of the "modern" cartridges and of the 2, the .303 would be very far in the lead. I remember a few years ago seeing a rifle built on a Mauser action(Siamese model I think) and fitted with a Douglas barrel and a good sporter stock and of course a good scope, it was one of the finest stalking rifles I have ever seen or shot and the chap who owned was just a bit good with it. The chambers on a lot of the original 303 rifles were just a little bit liberal in dimensions but the one in this Mauser was very snug and of course with the Mauser action being a strong front locking unit he was loading it up to reasonably high but safe pressures and getting the best out of it, he sold his .270 when he got this up and going and always said it was a nicer rifle to use and not as vicious on the user, the last time I spoke to him was at the last C L A Game Fair and he still uses it I believe it is 29 years since it was built.
 
The .303 is a fine round and is used quite a bit in the states. I know people who use Einfields to shoot whitetail in the midwestern states where shooting is done in the timber. I've used the 7.62x54R and .45-70 myself. I'll admit the magnum fad is pretty big, and belts are more stylish than rims these days, but these old cartridges are around because they work well and people are familiar with them. You can still find Remington and Federal .303 ammo on the shelf at any shop that carries ammunition.
 
Actually Mauser Obendorf built some special Intermediate actions with a slanted magazine just for the .303 British cartridge. They also built some specials for the .22 Savage Hi-Power another rimmed cartridge.
 
I find it interesting that so many hunters in the UK seem unfamiliar with the .303, I would havethought a great many of them would have grown up with them as a first rifle like over here in NZ. It used to be the predominant rifle. Nowadays you dont see so much of them out hunting narly as much, for one thing they are getting long in the tooth, but also because new rifles have got so much cheaper to buy today than ever before.

I have shot big stags with a .303 and they have gone down in the same way they have with the .30/06. I would equate the .303 with a .308 Winchester untill you get up to the heavy bullets. A 215 grain bullet in a .303 is a different story.
Plainly you could hunt the world with a .303 loaded that way and get by just fine - and people did for decades. The .303 Lee Enfield .303 would have to one of the most successful hunting rifles and cartridges ever made, used worldwide on all kinds of game on every continent for most of the 20th century.
To answer the OP, it was themost widely used cartridge for deerstalking for many years indeed. It is now effectively obsolete, although there are still a ton of old rifles floating around. .303 ammo is every easy to get over here, every gun shpp will carry some, but even in the last twenty years I have seen that its use has dropped right away, again, due to cheaper new rifles being available. You dont need to start with Dad's old three-oh anymore when you can buy a new Zastava, Howa or Savage so reasonably.


Brithunter, just out of interest I was perusing old copy of the Kenya Gazette and reading all the listsof people reregistering their rifles in 1908 - it is plain that the .303 was the most popular modern medium caliber, and it was interesting to note that half of the .303's were chambered in Mauser rifles. (They would have been Obenrdorff made rifles at that time, but years ago people used to get army surplus Mausers rechambered and set up in .303, simply because .303 ammo was so cheap. Used to sell it by weight, scooped out of barrels.)
 
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Great to see you on here, I used to post on Alan’s NZ hunt and fish, don’t have the time now to post on two sites but welcome any way to this one.

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They couldn't have been been P14's in 1908 though. They had to be factory Mauser sporters.

Hi Thar, I thought I recognised the avatar....!
 
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First deer rifle I had was a 303 no 4 Parker hale great gun.
CH I bought my son in law a 303 when I was in nz before Christmas he was shooting goats with it last week out side whangarie
 
The new world record moose was taken last autumn in the Yukon Territory with a "sportered" old Lee Enfield. The .303British soldiers on with the Canadian Rangers who are still using No.4Mk1* rifles.

And I'm still using the .303 for most of my deer hunting. I load my own and have found the Hornady 174gr round nose Interlock gives slightly better accuracy in all my Lee Enfields than the other commonly available bullets. Most are .311" diameter, the Hornady is .312" and kills just as it should.
 
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The new world record moose was taken last autumn in the Yukon Territory with a "sportered" old Lee Enfield. The .303British soldiers on with the Canadian Rangers who are still using No.4Mk1* rifles.

And I'm still using the .303 for most of my deer hunting. I load my own and have found the Hornady 174gr round nose Interlock gives slightly better accuracy in all my Lee Enfields than the other commonly available bullets. Most are .311" diameter, the Hornady is .312" and kills just as it should.

Aha , a fellow CGN'er I believe ! How's it going . My old man used an Enfield in 303 Brit for everything , although he did like the old CIL 215 gr Kling Kores when after moose . I've been using my Parker Hale No 4 conversion for a long time now and it always performed well for me. I still have couple of hundred norma 215 gr round noses that I'm going to load up for moose one day.

I've run into my share of people who bad mouth the Lee Enfield and 303 Brit as a viable hunting combo. Almost universally none of them have ever used one on game or spent enough time with a decent example to learn what they are capable of . Their loss , when I think of the iconic rifle of the Canadian , its the Lee Enfield .

AB
 
Built one a lot of years back, on I think a Siamese Mauser action and it was a great success. Amazing how that nice stiff compared to the No. 4 action changes things, fired cases that had not stretched, loads upped a bit and getting better pressures and velocities and best of all an action that you could fit a good trigger(Timney) and stock to. The chap who had it got rid of his .270 Parker-Hale, said he had enough of the boom and blast and recoil, in his words the rifle was more considerate to his body and had better effect on the body at the other end. He said that although it was not quite as fast as the 150grn. in the 270 that same weight in the 303 put big stags and Roe deer down better but with a lot less carcase damage.

Think I might research this and build one for myself because it really was a good and practical rifle.
 
Definitely not so loopy in a modern barrel with a better twist rate, a nice stiff(er) action such as a Mauser and todays powders and bullets will make a heck of a difference.
 
Ruger made a run of No.1's two years ago. I tried to get my hands on one but they sold pretty quickly. There was an article in Rifle by John Barsness that did a test on one. He did reach some very respectable velocities with newer powders. There was also some interesting data that he developed using .308 cal Nosler Partitions in the 303 British ( a Lee Enfield No. 4 and the Ruger single shot ) Apparently , with faster burning powders like RL 15 and Varget the rear section of the partition bullet will expand to fit the rifling. He got excellent velocities ,2400+ fps and one to one and a half inch groups at 100 yards with the partitions . There isn't to many animals that combination wouldn't take cleanly as long as you didn't try and reach out to far. If your interested BRORA , I can send you the data.

AB
 
I miss sitting at one end of a red rock box canyon outside of Cuba, New Mexico, on a fall day, busting refrigerator sized rocks using cast bullets from my #4 Enfield at 200 to 400 yards. I'd bring 100 rounds in stripper clips and make an afternoon of it. It was great fun... (sigh)~Muir
 
Definitely not so loopy in a modern barrel with a better twist rate, a nice stiff(er) action such as a Mauser and todays powders and bullets will make a heck of a difference.
You don't have to reinvent the wheel, just get hold of a decent P14 or P14 based sporter. (You could even buy a bad one, rebarrel it and put it in a Boyd's sporter stock.)
The pic shows my 303 stalking rifle, a BSA Mod E, which is a commercially produced sporter using a P14 action.
 
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