A Bad Experience at Mallard Barn

[widows son]

IMHO you are totally wrong on this ws. So you don't stalk for the trophys, well that's fine, but who are you to say that this guy is wrong because he did? Plenty of money is put into this sport by people like the OP and good for them. People's jobs depend on trophys.

And for goodness sake. The word 'Your' is not the same word as 'you're' or 'you are' and that is just for starters! Commas instead of full stops or neither when there should be etc. Far too many of your posts carry a nasty undertone ws and there's no need for it!

You can't come on here and write scathing attacks on people and think it doesn't open yourself up for incoming.

Sorry but that's my opinion.

Oh my apologies that my English is not as clever as your own some of us don't have spell checkers or shine a seat with our arse ,I further apologise that you really require a "Life" this site is about deer stalking not English composition.

This was not an attack but rather a observation ,the person who started the thread made the attack , on the estate keeper having been a keeper and heard all these rants, all because it doesn't go the persons way ,doesn't cut it ,keepers bite there lip pretty often with some of the antics of there clients, it was a mistake that's the bottom line ,but no one ever makes them do they .

Deer management is not about trophies ,if the man in question wants trophies I'll send him hundreds of them .

So what if he lost the heads he still has the memories ,and the quality time with his sons that is what counts in my eyes .

 

[baguio]

Whatever ws. More of the same. It doesn't matter what counts in your eyes or anyone elses. It was the OP who parted with HIS hard earned and didn't get what he had paid for FACT.

Most people make mistakes yes, (believe it or not but I did myself once, all be it a long time ago!) but it's how we rectify those mistakes which set the good and bad people apart don't you think?

And, keepers don't bite there lip, they bite THEIR lip!

 

[JC275]

Thats fair and valid comment, but at what point does the 'little man' just role over and accept what he thinks is unfair treatment?

The fact that the internet is accessed by all and that included potential future customers, those that otherwise may have replied with 'tough s**t...' now have to consider the harm that may do. Thankfully in the stalking/shooting/fishing world I have been fortunate at never having had a bad experience like this myself, but in fairness to the OP, in his words he tried to resolve the matter before being left with no choice in his opinion.

There are many that cannot handle confrontation and would have accepted this outcome.

The estate could easily have said, 'come back and have another go...' and the post that would have appeared on here would have been very different and done them no end of good.

They have not even come on to argue their point of view, instead an obvious employee has responded with a post that clearly shows the general attitude of the estate which IMO actually strengthens the validity of the OP...

Personally, I don't think that the agrieved guest should roll over for one minute, I just don't think that this is the way to resolve matters.

I think the 'keeper on the ground should have made sure that he went away happy despite whatever mistakes may have been made and then sort it out with his boss/Head keeper later however that only my opinion, maybe the estate policy is different. Maybe another issue here is that the 'keepers doing the stalking do not have the authority to waive fees and give out free stalks?

Some people who take guests out don't understand that what is to them just a few hours out of their day might be the trip of a lifetime to someone else. Muntjac are a good example, many people see them as vermin and don't take the stalking of them seriously whilst another man might travel halfway across the globe to shoot one.

JC

 

[JC275]

Deer management is not about trophies ,if the man in question wants trophies I'll send him hundreds of them .

I'm afraid that, in many cases Deer Management is about trophies, like it or not, thats a fact. JC

 

[JabaliHunter]

On this occaision there was no fee payable and he was already welcome to come back and stalk whenever he wanted but if he had been a paying customer then I would have had no hestitation in waiving the fee and taking the loss myself.

Many people think that comercial stalking is all about hunting, I would say that it is about 50:50 hunting:entertainment/hospitality and an operation is only going to be very good if it make the grade in both areas, not everyone can do this.

JC

Well said.

 

[bogtrotter]

Many people think that comercial stalking is all about hunting, I would say that it is about 50:50 hunting:entertainment/hospitality and an operation is only going to be very good if it make the grade in both areas, not everyone can do this.


Exactly 100% in agreement.
JC[/QUOTE]

 

[User00003]

Deer management is not about trophies ,if the man in question wants trophies I'll send him hundreds of them .

es .

that's the difference between professionals and recreational stalkers right there. Professionals would take your side, recreational stalkers would not, the problem is, it's the recreational stalker that pay the big fees

 

[User00003]

ps. send me the hundreds of trophies please!, I could do with some 2nd income from ebay!

 

[JC275]

that's the difference between professionals and recreational stalkers right there. Professionals would take your side, recreational stalkers would not, the problem is, it's the recreational stalker that pay the big fees

A lot of professional stalkers wouldn't agree, me included. If it wasn't for trophy stalking a lot of Stalkers would be out of a job or at least only employed on short term, winter contracts.

I was once taught that 'Management' can be defined as 'The planned manipulation of an asset to acheive a desired objective', deer management is no different to the management of anything else.

Your aim might be to allow an ancient forest to regenerate naturally in which case you may want to remove all deer from the area.

It might be to maximise the income from the deer herd in which case you will lean heavily towards trophy stalking (depending on species and location).

It might be that you want to guarantee a fixed income from the deer herd in which case you let the stalking rights.

It might be that you want to have a 'reserve' in which case you may feed the deer in the winter and only shoot casualty/sick deer.

All of these, and many more, are legitimate deer management aims and objectives. Who are we to say what is right and what is wrong?

JC

 

[bogtrotter]

My dog ate a very important guests roe trophy once, he was very good about it (in fact he was more concerned about the Peroxide harming the dog) but the fact of the matter is, it was too late, there was nothing that I could do to replace it so I had to be open and honest. I have also got trophies mixed up in the past and, again, the only thing to do is be honest and contact the guests and ask them to help you identify which is which.

Most of my clients for roe are repeat so tend to collect trophys on their next visit so heads are labelled and go in to freezer until I have time to do them not unusual to find labels have come of when you get to the bottom so like you have had to ask them to identify theirs, always the temptation to claim the gold medal when in reality it was a button buck they had shot

Ah! but have you ever had a client who was adamant he did not want the trophy of the stag he had shot only to have a friend call three months later saying he had changed his mind and could he please have it, this was all of two months and three weeks after it had been turned into beer tokens.

Can you imagine the stress involved in finding and shooting one that looked the same.

 

[Gazza]

Don't know anything about this shoot or the people who operate it but just going by their web site it does not look like some sort of mickey mouse operation. It could be all fur coat and nae knickers as some very good looking shoots are but I would be very surprised if this place, probably dealing with many clients, has not got a process in place for complaints.
It would certainly appear that the original poster has got just cause for complaint. Can I ask what has been the outcome of contacting the shoot operators? It seems that the heads have been wrongly disposed off but find it hard to accept that the company would just say "Tough". Mistakes can happen in all businesses, it's how they are dealt with that really matters.

 

[craigievarkiller]

+1

I can see no problem with the post at all.

Someone has paid to shoot roebucks, the heads are part of what make that an event. I would be seething if I shot 4 bucks and 2 of the heads went missing, full stop, trophy or not. I am amazed that they are sending the heads to the butcher at all.

The lack of a sincere apology is amazing oin this day and age.

This site sometimes amazes me, I am sure that if the guy had put up a story that someone had shot him or pushed him out of a high seat there would be some on here determined to defend the "other side" of the story!! The guy is brassed off and has come on here to vent, seems reasonable and not sinister to me.

 

[lwcdart]

Mallard Barn

This thread takes alot of looking at, however my thoughts are this:

The estate have C----d up big time here, as has the Keeper of person that is arranging their Deer lardering facility. There is no way that a head of any value to the client should be retained on the bodies with the risk of collection.

Secondly talking as a game dealer here-the odd good head that we ever do see from beasts that customers drop in we tend to keep as they too have a good value, in addition to which pretty much all animal waste in the plant has to go to Cat 2 or 3 amimal biproduct waste collection weekly-so the head should have been recoverable within the timescale of a week.

So I feel the tale that the heads got burnt is questionable anyway

I would say that without the heads that the most the estate could attempt to charge the client is for 2 x Roe cullbucks-as he probably would not have bothered keeping the heads in the first place I guess.

As they seem to have lost the heads then I would say that this is the least that they could do for the poor guy.

Regards Lee

 

[alvaro]

IS ANYONE HAS ANY DOUTS ABOUT MY POST HERE IS THE EMAIL A SEND TO PETER AFTER HE HANG UP TWICE THE PHONE


El 23/04/2012, a las 19:01, ALVARO escribió:

I am sending you this email because you hanged up the telephone the second time and you havent sent me the email that you told me.


1) I dont understand why the first time you hunged up the telephone, because i wasnt rude with you and also you repeated the same thing thing twice without letting me talk.
2) We stalked 3 days in Ampton and the roe buks which are missing my sons shot them on the first day. Why nobody told the heads of the roes were incinerated in the next two days we were stalking? Even this morning i called Liam to tell him i wanted to go to pick up the heads, he didnt told me anything about the heads.
You as responsible of your company knew that the heads were incinerated on Sunday, why you didnt called me? At least you should have called me before i went Ampton to pick up the heads, when i was there i was suposed to have a meeting with Alan and he didnt show up. There was a guy and he told me the heads were in a bag in the middle parking.
I have been working with a lot of hunting companies and this has never happen to anyone that i know.
3) The response you gave me this evening about what are you going to fix the damage was unbelivable telling me THAT I HAVE THE PLESSURE TO STALK IN AMPTON there no plessure becuase you havent invited me I pay to stalk in your rented state.
4.) I dont know with what kind of people do you usually treat with, you have been unpolite and rude.
5) I dont understand how in four days you havent called to say what happened , to aplogise ,about and give me a solution and instead you let me find out this evening at 5pm. If you run your bussines like that, you are not going to be much longer in this bussines.
6.) i will write an article and i will publish it in as many places I can , so everyone can know with what people and company they are treating with. Also if can i will take legal actions

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[SussexFallow]

was alvaro charged for cull bucks or medals? it does seem strange that the two biggest heads went missing. i personally keep all roe buck heads i shoot . seems a shame that it happened to his lads bet that upset him more than if he had shot them!!

atb steve

 

[alvaro]

They charge me for the bucks ,the bucks where around 375 gr for the boys is big
i also keep all my bucks
thanks

 

[DL]

This came into my mind two thirds the way through the thread, i bet there are more who thought the same.

Ian.

Funny you should say that, I was thinking if you were doing accompanied stalking for a living, a trophy is one of the last things you would loose, as it directly corresponds to your income during the relevant season.

 

[Taff]

What I don,t understand is, from some of the posts this estate is over run with deer and shooting is done mostly from a highseat, all they had to do was say sorry and stick him up a high seat for a day when they don,t have other clients.

 

[pilgrimmick]

Nothing to add just the 100th post

 

[Lateral]

What I don,t understand is, from some of the posts this estate is over run with deer and shooting is done mostly from a highseat, all they had to do was say sorry and stick him up a high seat for a day when they don,t have other clients.

Easy, common sense solution, for happy returning customers !