A bit condescending given the wealth of talent and experience of the posters in this thread ... or did you just find this on t'internet and it helped you ?
Accuracy in the field?
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A bit condescending given the wealth of talent and experience of the posters in this thread ... or did you just find this on t'internet and it helped you ?
reloader54
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You know I did think after a short break from posting, and time to reflect, I might choose to simply post an informative but neutral post in order to both clarify and help those who may not be "experts"or have the longstanding respect and admiration of that of Laurie and others of that ilk, however as usual poised in the wings like the little weaklings in a school playground shouting from the back are those that offer nothing to the subject but making a noise, and again as usual inane criticism.
I therefore realise it was a mistake to think this place could be any different and simply refer you and others like you to,, "Arkell v Pressdram.
caorach
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This is, I think, the key. If you are so inclined captdavid then search the forum for the "Black Dot of Doom." It was a bit of fun we had where you printed a 1 inch black dot on a bit of white paper, put it up at 100 yards, and without any testing or trials or rejecting the first attempt because you weren't as good as you told the internet you were you simply fired three shots at the black dot with the aim of hitting it. It was all done for a laugh as most realistic stalkers had realistic expectations.
Another key point was that the first time we ran it, despite tens of thousands of reads of the thread, only 53 shots were fired at the target (I think someone fired a strange number hence why the number isn't a multiple of 3) and 7 actually hit the black dot! This is from a forum where the experts shoot 2 inch groups at 500 yards and similar.
Stalking fun shoot - anyone game?
Again this isn't science but a bit of fun but it also demonstrates all you need to know about accuracy, and about internet claims for accuracy, and about how important it is to understand that the real world is different from claims on the internet. In general the stalker shoots reliable 3 inch groups at 100 yards and if he is being honest with himself he understands and appreciates this, he can't reliably hit a 1 inch circle, he can hit it but he can't reliably say with complete certainty whether his next shot will hit it or not. Statistics, or luck as you might call it, mean that if you shoot a goodly number of 3 shot groups (or any number of shots) you must get a very tiny one. As I related recently I had the rifle laid up for a few months while the season was closed and had taken it apart and cleaned it and so on. On the first day out I fired three shots, off sticks, at a target and believed I'd missed with two of them but on close examination of the target I found that all three were basically in the same hole. Now, I could have posted a photo of this target and claimed to be an internet shooting expert who could shoot 0.1 inch groups off sticks all day every day however I'm not a great shot, but basic statistics and physical reality apply to me just the same as the next person and on the day I was simply a victim of those stats.
Sometimes it is worth looking at shotgun patterns, that is what we are doing with rifles but with a much smaller "pattern area" than the nominal 30 inches often used with shotguns, the normal stalker has a central pattern of about 3 inches. It is also worth considering the basic underlying maths - "ye cannae defy the laws of physics Captain"
the black dot of death proved one thing
all these tiny groups posted are seldom replicated under field conditions
The BDS stalker's shooting competitions are a very good practice for anyone looking to test themselves
all these tiny groups posted are seldom replicated under field conditions
The BDS stalker's shooting competitions are a very good practice for anyone looking to test themselves
Doom !!!!
6.5 x 55 at 100m
Following wind of 15 mph
Off sticks
139 grain PPU
As ego got the better of me I tried again as first effort failed to identify me as marksman of the year that I clearly am in my dreams
clearly practice makes you better - but you NEVER get practice in the field
PS - just shot as of 15 min ago
PPS - 1" square
6.5 x 55 at 100m
Following wind of 15 mph
Off sticks
139 grain PPU
As ego got the better of me I tried again as first effort failed to identify me as marksman of the year that I clearly am in my dreams
clearly practice makes you better - but you NEVER get practice in the field
PS - just shot as of 15 min ago
PPS - 1" square
AN DU RU FOX
Well-Known Member
but you didnt hit any of the black dots!
little tip draw them on after ,saves sleepless nights.
little tip draw them on after ,saves sleepless nights.
but you didnt hit any of the black dots!
Bugger! No wonder I'm no good at this kind of thing
caorach
Well-Known Member
You need to buy one of those new 7.2mm Suckergrabbers in a custom build, then you'll be shooting 1/4inch groups at 600 yards like everyone else on the internet. They have nearly 1/8 of an inch less drop at 1,000 yards and it makes all the difference when shooting deer.
Unlike deer stalkers/shooters who have plenty of margin to injure and in your words blow off legs, i dont, when i miss that means the bullet has missed, when i hit crows, pigeons, maggies or rabbits with a bullet from HV Centrefire round, they are dead, simple as that.
Ian.
There are no in betweens, since when has a miss resulted in lost limbs or guts?? Oh i forgot a miss in the deer shooting world is a miss of the vitals resulting in injury and not death, a miss for me is exactly what it means, the bullet did not hit the quarry at all which in the case of pigeons, crows and maggies is about the same size of of the vital zone on a deer. As for not being right thats your opinion mate, the same as poorly shoot deer (100yds or less????) and pricked pheasants is not right in my book but i dont condemn those that do it, you choose to stalk and shoot deer, i dont i choose to shoot vermin at range, we are both quarry shooters just in different ways.
Ian.
I do it because thats the style of shooting i want to participate in. I parctice all the time at inaminate targets to hone my skills for long shots on live quarry, something i cant say about the majority of deer stalkers many of whom fail to hit the vital area an animal the size of a barn door compared to a crow, so look no further then deer stalking my friend for more poorly placed shots and more injured animals then us varmint shooters will ever realise, more practice needed i think.
Ian.
Like i said in my first post i seldom shoot deerso im not worried about putting venison in the larder, i shoot for enjoyment and that enjoyment for me is long range varminting, if i could hit a magpie at 500yds with every shot sent i would be a world class shooter travelling the competition circuit in the USA winning thousands of dollars, not reading comments on a forum from blinkered people who have no clue about long range varminting.
Ian.
How about we all put next year's Autumn Chamois Shoot at Bisley in our diaries and lets see the reality of simulated in the field conditions. After all its only 200 yards so there should be some cracking scores posted.
Just a thought.
K
Just a thought.
K
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