After the DSC1....another training option: LANTRA.

[Erik Hamburger]

I just want to flag up that there is another training route you can take, and that is a LANTRA courses. After I passed the DSC1 I did the LANTRA Center-fire/Fox-control Level 2 course. This course appears not to be so widely known in the shooting community.

This is a lot harder than the DSC1 in particular on firearms-handling and safety issues. The format of the 2-day course is:
Day 1: Theory during the day; practical exercises and night-lamping assessment in the evening. So a very long intense day indeed - the day started at 9AM and finished at midnight. (The B&B lady was delighted with our late arrival time
Day 2: Range practice in the morning; marksmanship assessment, more theory and a written exam.

The night lamping assessment consist of 3 elements: Identify the target, estimate the distance to the target; decide if the shot is safe or unsafe. The course leaders put some bino's 6' high up a tree so that fooled me....imitating a person watching you through binoculars. It does look very much like a pair of foxes eyes, in particular at 80-100Meters. The range estimation (without using a range-finder) has to be correct within 10% to pass. This is at night, using a standard foxing lamp. Not easy.
The marksmanship test is very similar to the DSC1 test except for that the target is 4" across, not 6". You get 12 shots from different positions 25-100 yards prone, sitting, sticks, standing unsupported dispatch and realistically have to get 11 of those within the 4" target to pass.
And yes, I managed to fail the course first time on safety issues, marksmanship and night lamping. However I was given the opportunity to re-sit the failed elements a few weeks later and managed to pass this time.

It has opened my eyes to the safety issues when shooting at night; improved my marksmanship enormously; has been a great help in gaining further shooting permissions, and also had its benefits when seeking reduced restrictive conditions on my FAC.

For more information: http://www.lantra-awards.co.uk/Prod...fle)-Safety,-Theory-and-Practice-Level-2.aspx

 

[Vipa]

Without wanting to sound negative....

How is this an alternative route to DSC2 ??? It has nothing to do with deer, it is to do with lamping foxes and will open none of the doors DSC 2 does... in fact, the ONLY similarity between this and DSC is the fact that guns are involved!

It is a completely different route, not an alternative

 

[Erik Hamburger]

Good point - I should have been clearer: It is route, not an alternative. I am now doing the DSC2 - but after some excellent fire-arms & safety training at the LANTRA course. Obviously, there is a massive overlap so I stand by my view that is very useful, weather you are into deer stalking or vermin control.

 

[bobt]

So the cops will expect this before you get a rifle for foxing?

 

[trouble]

Hang on Eric , the bloke teaching this course , doesnt run a gunshop does he ?

 

[Erik Hamburger]

No, I was given fox on my FAC before I did this course.

 

[Erik Hamburger]

No, he doesn't, but he is an advanced firearms instructor involved with training Police, Forces and F.O. people. LANTRA, the awarding body, also doesn't run a gun shop.
Guys, why this negativity? I am simply trying to be helpful by flagging up that there is an excellent course available which some people may benefit from. If you don't think it is right for you, fine. But it may be right for others.

Oh yeah this is also of interest: There were some professional guys on this course who worked for the RSPB. So the RSPB does control fox then. On the quiet.

 

[Eric the Red]

Sounds like an interesting course. Many thanks for flagging it up.

 

[Axe]

No, he doesn't, but he is an advanced firearms instructor involved with training Police, Forces and F.O. people. LANTRA, the awarding body, also doesn't run a gun shop.
Guys, why this negativity? I am simply trying to be helpful by flagging up that there is an excellent course available which some people may benefit from. If you don't think it is right for you, fine. But it may be right for others.

Oh yeah this is also of interest: There were some professional guys on this course who worked for the RSPB. So the RSPB does control fox then. On the quiet.

Thats the trouble with this site these days, people are getting worried to post about anything because they'll get a load of miserable negative comments back, it seems that everyone else thinks they know better.

It makes me wonder how much longer members, especially newer members like myself, will carry on posting useful information for fear of this.
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As LANTRA is a well recognised body for a whole range of training that I have done in the past, personally I was very interested to find out from you Erik, that they are running this course.
So thank you for bringing it to my attention.

 

[olivhar01]

Thats the trouble with this site these days, people are getting worried to post about anything because they'll get a load of miserable negative comments back, it seems that everyone else thinks they know better.

It makes me wonder how much longer members, especially newer members like myself, will carry on posting useful information for fear of this.
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As LANTRA is a well recognised body for a whole range of training that I have done in the past, personally I was very interested to find out from you Erik, that they are running this course.
So thank you for bringing it to my attention.

+1

 

[trouble]

No, he doesn't, but he is an advanced firearms instructor involved with training Police, Forces and F.O. people. LANTRA, the awarding body, also doesn't run a gun shop.
Guys, why this negativity? I am simply trying to be helpful by flagging up that there is an excellent course available which some people may benefit from. If you don't think it is right for you, fine. But it may be right for others.

Oh yeah this is also of interest: There were some professional guys on this course who worked for the RSPB. So the RSPB does control fox then. On the quiet.

Right I know him , hes a mate of mine . Infact we have done alot of fox control in and around Cheltenham in the past , the reason i asked is theres a chap in your area doing courses i wouldnt trust to mow my lawn . And out of interest Ive done alot of fox control around tern colonisies for the RSPB . On the quiet .

 

[Jelendeer]

Thats the trouble with this site these days, people are getting worried to post about anything because they'll get a load of miserable negative comments back, it seems that everyone else thinks they know better.

It makes me wonder how much longer members, especially newer members like myself, will carry on posting useful information for fear of this.
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As LANTRA is a well recognised body for a whole range of training that I have done in the past, personally I was very interested to find out from you Erik, that they are running this course.
So thank you for bringing it to my attention.

+1

 

[Simjim33]

How much did it cost Erik? I havent clicked on the link BTW. LANTRA is a recognised body it would stand to reason the coppers would value it as evidence for ongoing training. It shows you take it seriously.

 

[Overlay]

DSC1 + 2 + further deer courses - for managing Deer (daytime hours 99% of the time) 1 course for controlling Foxes - (99% in darkness / illumination) can't see the problem - there are a lot of guys out there who would love to be able to be linked up with a mentor but are not fortunate enough to be able to have that guidance. thats when this course would be perfect

There are always new people coming into using sect 1 firearms, that course seems a good idea (not as a stick for the constabulary to waggle) but a genuine guiding hand for people who shoot foxes and it would be a great help for any other discipline as well, as they say you cannot bring back words or a shot out of a rifle once its gone its gone, every bit of help discharging a firearm safely is a good constructive logic.

Its alright when you've had years of experience have had people to take you out and show you the best way forward, I for one wouldn't knock it,
no accident is no accident, this course could be just that extra little to stopping a bad shot - all of a sudden it is worth it. everyone who sqeezes the trigger has to be sharp and on his game

I have managed fox levels for over 35 years and I never stop learning, its all part of the job in hand, that course seems a good idea, when I have finished what I'm doing at the moment, I will be checking it out.

Lets not have negative waves Guys on something which looks like a good thing for newcomers in particular

 

[JAYB]

I think the perceived negativity is due in part to fear, fear that the course would be or could be another stick to beat the shooting community with. There is with all shooters, or at least I hope there is, the desire to continually improve and courses such as these offer the chance to do just that. The flip side to all of this however is that some over eager and not to well informed FEO will start to impose the gaining of such qualifications as a prerequisite for the granting of a FAC or certain calibres. Which of course means that this leaves such courses open to a "negative" interpretation, human nature I'm afraid.

John

 

[Erik Hamburger]

I can't remember the exact cost I think it was around £250 incl. all the exam fees.

 

[Simjim33]

I can't remember the exact cost I think it was around £250 incl. all the exam fees.

thats not to bad.

 

[HME]

Trouble
The guy that runs the courses is called Joe Davin. Joe runs the course at my range (as well as others) as it is a Lantra approved site. It is a very detailed course and aimed at individuals needing a specific qualification such as pest controllers. There is a chap in the area claiming to be a Lantra instructor (which I believe he may be) but has nowhere to run a course from - they have to be run from a Lantra approved facility of which there are three in the country (for firearms).

 

[cjm1066]

It looks a good course. Lantra have recognised the St Huber Club qualified stalking certificate for Deer Stalking.

 

[hottopic]

I just want to flag up that there is another training route you can take, and that is a LANTRA courses. After I passed the DSC1 I did the LANTRA Center-fire/Fox-control Level 2 course. This course appears not to be so widely known in the shooting community.

This is a lot harder than the DSC1 in particular on firearms-handling and safety issues. The format of the 2-day course is:
Day 1: Theory during the day; practical exercises and night-lamping assessment in the evening. So a very long intense day indeed - the day started at 9AM and finished at midnight. (The B&B lady was delighted with our late arrival time
Day 2: Range practice in the morning; marksmanship assessment, more theory and a written exam.

The night lamping assessment consist of 3 elements: Identify the target, estimate the distance to the target; decide if the shot is safe or unsafe. The course leaders put some bino's 6' high up a tree so that fooled me....imitating a person watching you through binoculars. It does look very much like a pair of foxes eyes, in particular at 80-100Meters. The range estimation (without using a range-finder) has to be correct within 10% to pass. This is at night, using a standard foxing lamp. Not easy.
The marksmanship test is very similar to the DSC1 test except for that the target is 4" across, not 6". You get 12 shots from different positions 25-100 yards prone, sitting, sticks, standing unsupported dispatch and realistically have to get 11 of those within the 4" target to pass.
And yes, I managed to fail the course first time on safety issues, marksmanship and night lamping. However I was given the opportunity to re-sit the failed elements a few weeks later and managed to pass this time.

It has opened my eyes to the safety issues when shooting at night; improved my marksmanship enormously; has been a great help in gaining further shooting permissions, and also had its benefits when seeking reduced restrictive conditions on my FAC.

For more information: http://www.lantra-awards.co.uk/Prod...fle)-Safety,-Theory-and-Practice-Level-2.aspx

Guys be aware! Lantra is not the same as LANTRA AWARDS who offer this course. They are not an official awarding body and carry no more weight than a BASC training course. Although I would say that a BASC course holds more credability.

Lantra awards are a shameless way of government trying to get more money from the countryside workers and employers.

Parks and Thornley also do a night shooting course and a deer and liabilities course, both would have the same creditaion, and with Parks and Thornley who are both ex police men and expert witness' for the courts you will get back up if heavens forbid it all goes wrong.

Not a fan of Lantra Awards