Always always always check !

My logic was I wonder if the primer fired, nothing to lose by testing that case. You cant go wrong with a 204 I love mine. I have had at least 12 or so 22lr that never went bang in years past, good solid pin strike too.:tiphat:
I have had the odd one too. But it always ejects as a complete round, never had a bullet stuck in 22lr
This didn’t happen with the HMR when the cartridge was launched, I am of the opinion that the brass has been reduced in thickness from the original to say money and that is why the split neck issue has arisen. Can’t prove it but it didn’t happen in the first few years.
Quite possibly, as the newer 17 rimfire has a much thicker case and I have not heard of the same problem with that.
I had a mates browning tbolt blow up on me from much the same reason as op. Yea it frightened the sh*te out of me but no personal injury. Heard of other such instances but have never known anyone receiving injuries( thank God). Has anyone been injured that you know of???
Nothing too serious, ie a few cuts and a bit of bruising. But I suppose it depends on how they are holding them. Most of the keepers seem to shoot off the bonnet on a bipod (the scratches on my old truck were testament to that) or the mirror. Unlikely that their hands were near the mag well. As it seems the common result is the mag goes south taking various bits of stock with it.
The problem is that those who have been compensated have done so with a NDA clause. In one case I believe the shooting buddy was compensated too. So you get bits of secondhand information, with only a few willing to say what happened.
Funny thing is that keeper “A” had a bottom of the range 17HMR. Rumours that he’s blown it up (well p*ss taking). Then a little bit later he’s got top of the range one with better glass too.
Smells of pay off too me.
But that’s just my opinion.
 
I have had the odd one too. But it always ejects as a complete round, never had a bullet stuck in 22lr

Quite possibly, as the newer 17 rimfire has a much thicker case and I have not heard of the same problem with that.

Nothing too serious, ie a few cuts and a bit of bruising. But I suppose it depends on how they are holding them. Most of the keepers seem to shoot off the bonnet on a bipod (the scratches on my old truck were testament to that) or the mirror. Unlikely that their hands were near the mag well. As it seems the common result is the mag goes south taking various bits of stock with it.
The problem is that those who have been compensated have done so with a NDA clause. In one case I believe the shooting buddy was compensated too. So you get bits of secondhand information, with only a few willing to say what happened.
Funny thing is that keeper “A” had a bottom of the range 17HMR. Rumours that he’s blown it up (well p*ss taking). Then a little bit later he’s got top of the range one with better glass too.
Smells of pay off too me.
But that’s just my opinion.

Evening
We are talking to the ammunition manufacturer so i will keep you posted !

Safety cant be bought for a new rifle in my opinion
 
Evening
We are talking to the ammunition manufacturer so i will keep you posted !

Safety cant be bought for a new rifle in my opinion
Quite a few people have been by all accounts.
Frankly I took my 17hmr slot and got a 222. I might have got a 17 hornet if they were around at the time.
I have had one bad experience of a firearm failure (through no fault of my own) not an experience I would like to repeat.
So I will stick with the humble 22 and everything else that I can reload for.
I have a system of checks that tend to find any mistakes before a round is complete. Any suspect brass etc is binned. I don’t take chances and the HMR seems like you are whenever you pick one up. Not for me
 
Hmmmmm. Sooo - judging from the responses on this and other 17 hmr threads there are two significant and common factors in the many dreadful “incidents” experienced with this round.
The first is a “squib” load, probably with an existing split in the neck thus permitting moisture ingress which prevents any/full ignition of the main powder charge but is sufficient to drive and lodge the bullet in the barrel where with great anticipation it awaits the company of the next round. As far as I can determine no “incidents” occurred at time of firing the offending round but clearly this dangerous element is a significant issue - responsibility for which lies squarely at the feet of the manufacturers. There too is where the response and remedy must lie.
If we accept that poor ignition does not immediately create the “incident” then the second factor inevitably is the human factor of chambering and firing a second round after the dreaded “click” which of course is widely known to be entirely the wrong thing to do but still some do it -responsibility for this element of course lies with those who shoot this round.
The big question for me is why do we blithely assume that all mass produced commercial rounds are of the same standard that we ensure as part of our reloading process? As any experienced reloader knows close examination of their outputs is a sine qua non and he/she would not dream of reloading never mind chambering a centrefire round which has a split neck - rightly the case is binned before reloading or upon detection afterwards. This is particularly pertinent in relation to the 17 hmr where unfired split cases are still regularly encountered and split cases upon firing even more so (I had another 3 out of 12 today!) and, of particular significance, the shooting community is well aware of these faults so inevitably must take some responsibility for their (in)actions.
Now, IMHO the marmite 17hmr is a fantastic round, inherently accurate and very powerful for such a light bullet, it rightly has a place in my gun cabinet. That said there is clearly a safety issue but and it is a big but, until the industry publicly accepts there is an isdue, those who continue to shoot it must also accept responsibility for their own safety and treat every bullet as they would one of their own reloads. It takes only seconds to check each round before loading, indeed my own practice is to do this at home as they are unboxed before they go into my ammo pouch and again before insertion into the magazine. As a further last chance saloon safety precaution the shooter must always be alert to the dreaded “click” AND investigate the cause, ensuring the barrel is clear, before chambering another round - “IF IT CLICKS - IT STICKS” should be your watchword.
Stay safe chaps.
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If it clicks then you have to be careful not to assume it was caused by the failure to chamber a round from the mag.
Simple to check for barrel obstruction in daylight not so simple to do in the dark at night.
Hence the reason I moved away from the .17hmr to the 17hornet. However I do still have a .17mach2 and so far have had none of the problems the .17hmr has had after quite a lot of use, just lucky may be.
 
If it clicks then you have to be careful not to assume it was caused by the failure to chamber a round from the mag.
Simple to check for barrel obstruction in daylight not so simple to do in the dark at night.
Hence the reason I moved away from the .17hmr to the 17hornet. However I do still have a .17mach2 and so far have had none of the problems the .17hmr has had after quite a lot of use, just lucky may be.
Possibly not just luck regarding the .17mach2 - wasn't all this ammunition loaded by Eley or at least didn't they supply all the primed cases?
If so I think that they may have employed a slightly different manufacturing process which doesn't result in split necks.

“IF IT CLICKS - IT STICKS” should be your watchword. I like that Foxyboy. :thumb:
 
Possibly not just luck regarding the .17mach2 - wasn't all this ammunition loaded by Eley or at least didn't they supply all the primed cases?
If so I think that they may have employed a slightly different manufacturing process which doesn't result in split necks.

“IF IT CLICKS - IT STICKS” should be your watchword. I like that Foxyboy. :thumb:

Eley was the best until they stopped making in, why they never modified the production line to make hmr one will never know.

Current .17mach2 is cci manufactured/boxed, only make now available that I can find, great little short range small vermin round.
 
Yes I think that Eley would have had a good seller if they had produced the hmr. I would think that the cost of tooling up for it was prohibitive for what was a bit of an unknown product at the time. A great shame that they didn't take the gamble.
 
Evening guys

I have had over 30 years experience and nearly had a major accident this weekend.

I think it is worth posting the details so that even if one person has a similar situation they will think and check

I was out with my .17 HMR. I shot a squirrel - a moment later another appeared so i reloaded and squeezed the trigger - nothing - no fizz / bang - just a click.

Believing i had a mis-fire i left the rifle pointing in a safe direction and after 2 minutes opened the bolt - to discover- an empty case.

I believed this to be the one from the first shot - so ejected this and cycled another

The second squirrel still sat looking so i took aim and again squeezed the trigger.

What followed was the most shock i have ever suffered as the gun made a massive bang and blew out the magazine.

After 5 minutes and the panic has subsided i thought the last round must have had a fault

I recovered this and also scouted on the floor for the magazine and found the previous case. It was still full of powder !

What happened is the head / bullet of the cartridge had come off in the chamber and got pushed down the barrel

I really was lucky and if i had suffered a "misfire" in a shotgun i certainly would have checked the barrel - if i had heard a fizz or small bang i would have checked the barrel - all i would say is if something unexpected is felt/heard/happens - CHECK the barrel before cycling another round or squeezing that trigger !

Please share - and yes i know i should have done but as stated if one person reads this and remembers it if the situation arises i can handle the ridicule because i count myself so lucky to be able to share this with no injuries at all.
Good old HMR, this is why I got rid of mine.
 
It may appear to some to be a simple matter to resolve but not being a metallurgist I wouldn't have a clue.
I suppose the problem is in making the case sufficiently ductile to be able swage it down after charging while not annealing it excessively that it will not grip the bullet. It must be a very fine balancing act that occasionally they don't get absolutely spot on.
The cases can’t be annealed because the priming compound is already in place
 
Morning
Yes i do - the case is just about full of powder as stated above by long range rob its sort of clumped together.
I am talking to the manufacturer about the issue
I wont use the rifle again as i know it saved my life or saved me from serious injury really.
Maybe a .17 hornet or .204 - thoughts ?
Squirrels / crows up to 100 yards
.22 hornet will do that with aplomb
 
The cases can’t be annealed because the priming compound is already in place
I realise that they can't be annealed after priming but I was wondering if Eley had somehow overcome the problem of getting the annealing right prior to priming.
 
I realise that they can't be annealed after priming but I was wondering if Eley had somehow overcome the problem of getting the annealing right prior to priming.
Probably just better quality brass

When you consider the deep drawing forming process the metal has has gone through prior to necking down, I doubt the the quality of the brass has much to do with the subsequent cracking.

It will be 70/30CuZn cartridge brass and has been subject to extraordinary stresses to form the cup and rim. The necking down process is relatively mild.

The splits appear to be classic stress corrosion cracking which even the traces of ammonia in the atmosphere could be sufficient to precipitate.

I don't know about the process, but can't see why it would not be possible to neck down and anneal before putting the primer and powder in. If you can get the primer and powder through a Ø 0.22" hole and spin it out to the rim why can't you do the same through a Ø 0.17" hole? Presumably it adds a process and costs a bit more.

But I guess if there was a simple solution they would have done it to save the ongoing problems.

Alan
 
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I don't know about the process, but can't see why it would not be possible to neck down and anneal before putting the primer and powder in. If you can get the primer and powder through a Ø 0.22" hole and spin it out to the rim why can't you do the same through a Ø 0.17" hole? Presumably it adds a process and costs a bit more.

Alan
I will go along with you regarding the priming Alan because its only a drop of liquid, but I would imagine that powder bridging would be far more likely with only a .17" hole. On top of that I would think the powder checking process of which there must be one would also be more difficult with such a small hole.
 
When you consider the deep drawing forming process the metal has has gone through prior to necking down, I doubt the the quality of the brass has much to do with the subsequent cracking.

It will be 70/30CuZn cartridge brass and has been subject to extraordinary stresses to form the cup and rim. The necking down process is relatively mild.

The splits appear to be classic stress corrosion cracking which even the traces of ammonia in the atmosphere could be sufficient to precipitate.

I don't know about the process, but can't see why it would not be possible to neck down and anneal before putting the primer and powder in. If you can get the primer and powder through a Ø 0.22" hole and spin it out to the rim why can't you do the same through a Ø 0.17" hole? Presumably it adds a process and costs a bit more.

Alan
Probably cost. You can use the same plant to draw, prime and charge the WMR going straight to having a bullet added. 17HMR squeeze the neck down and add bullet.
I am not sure if that’s the exact process, but it would explain the why no annealing.
 
Years ago I was a member of a I.C.I. rifle and pistol club, Eley was owned by I.C.I. at the time and we got all our ammo direct from the factory. The other guys in the club had visited the Eley factory prior to me becoming a club member and often commented on how informative the visit had been. I wonder if Eley still do these visits.
 
Years ago I was a member of a I.C.I. rifle and pistol club, Eley was owned by I.C.I. at the time and we got all our ammo direct from the factory. The other guys in the club had visited the Eley factory prior to me becoming a club member and often commented on how informative the visit had been. I wonder if Eley still do these visits.
Oh! me me, I would love to go. Are you going to organise it?

Alan
 
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