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Heym SR20 said:
Exactly, and wind close to the ground doesn’t blow nice and smoothly, instead it swirls and eddies especially if there are rocks, trees or bumps. Even worse on te lee side. Have a look in a fast flowing river at the downriver side of rocks or along the bank - wind performs in the same way.

Like you, the one thing I have learnt in 30 odd years of stalking is that wind blows bullets in all directions, and wind cannot read the text books or ballistic charts.

The only way to mitigate against wind is to get as close as you can before shooting and make the first shot count.
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I think you’re proving my point with that.

I gave those drift figures at 150yds because it’s not that far on the hill. Even if you limit yourself to 100yds, you’d need to factor in the chance of follow ups further away.

The BC of that bullet means normal wind conditions could cause a bad shot within that envelope if not properly corrected for, which is why I wrote it off. That’s particularly so given you can easily get alternatives that aren’t as compromised.
 
Nimrod1960 said:
I know its a common moan but really!

Shooting Supplies Bromsgrove : Sako Blades .308 150g over £80 a box 😱.
Go well through my xbolt 2 nordic but hellish £!

Should I just go to PPU SP’s at less than half the price and just forget solid copper until I am forced?

Other suggestions welcome.
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you have answered your own question , lead ppu
 
Hmmm.
Pal and I went to the range yesterday - I took the sainted triple deuce as I had cocked up the zero - do you know what a (wrong) 50 yard zero does to a Zulus when it has a 100 yard zero programmed? Ol foxyboy does…
Moving on - easy to put that right with my usual reloads and then had some fun at small plates out to 250 just to confirm my corrections - all was good so out with the 8mm Mauser and a bit of playing with a hotchpotch of reloads from 125 gns up to 198 - boy they don’t have go off with some authority! Finally the long girl Mosin Nagant and again a medley of reloads and more great fun trying to master a trigger pull north of 8lbs - mind you any Russian sticking his head up in a trench 100 yards away was dead meat or possibly had a new ear piercing…
Soooo the point of this - 40 x .222; 60 x 8mm and 40 x 7.62x54R was the rounds tally for three hours of fun with my good friend.
Total cost? Not a clue as they were all homeloads but if they had been factory I suspect a wince-producing near-fortune.
However, you wanna play - you gotta pay! Plus I now have all that lovely brass to play with again….
🦊🦊
 
Foxyboy43 said:
Hmmm.
Pal and I went to the range yesterday - I took the sainted triple deuce as I had cocked up the zero - do you know what a (wrong) 50 yard zero does to a Zulus when it has a 100 yard zero programmed? Ol foxyboy does…
Moving on - easy to put that right with my usual reloads and then had some fun at small plates out to 250 just to confirm my corrections - all was good so out with the 8mm Mauser and a bit of playing with a hotchpotch of reloads from 125 gns up to 198 - boy they don’t have go off with some authority! Finally the long girl Mosin Nagant and again a medley of reloads and more great fun trying to master a trigger pull north of 8lbs - mind you any Russian sticking his head up in a trench 100 yards away was dead meat or possibly had a new ear piercing…
Soooo the point of this - 40 x .222; 60 x 8mm and 40 x 7.62x54R was the rounds tally for three hours of fun with my good friend.
Total cost? Not a clue as they were all homeloads but if they had been factory I suspect a wince-producing near-fortune.
However, you wanna play - you gotta pay! Plus I now have all that lovely brass to play with again….
🦊🦊
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Total cost? Probably less than the cost of a round of golf at a reasonable golf course, or going out for a bite to eat, going to Murryfield for an international rugby match, or for that matter a small day on a commercial pheasant shoot.
 
Liveonce said:
that makes it ok then, let’s keep putting up the prices, obviously no limit to what you are willing to pay.
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You are missing the point. Rifle Ammunition has always been expensive in comparison to wages, or other things to spend money on. You are taking a precision produced projectile and firing it from a brass case with a propellant that produces 60,000 psi.

The only way you get “cheap” rifle shooting is if you get issued with ammunition. But even then costs of issuing ammunition for practice was high. In the days of muzzleloaders, most soldiers had about 10 live shots a year.

In the past there was subsidised ammo issued to target shooting clubs etc. but those days are long gone.

If you want cheaper ammo go for a 223 or 308 as there is ammo is manufactured and used in high volumes.

Any cartridge that is not mainstream, or specialist expect prices to be high.

Reloading does reduce the cost. But in practice, or certainly in my experience, you just end up shooting more.

If you don’t like paying silly money for ammo, don’t buy it, and take your money elsewhere. Sellers of ammunition may then start dropping prices, or they may have to sit on lots of stock that doesn’t sell. They may or may not go out of business.
 
Heym SR20 said:
You are missing the point. Rifle Ammunition has always been expensive in comparison to wages, or other things to spend money on. You are taking a precision produced projectile and firing it from a brass case with a propellant that produces 60,000 psi.

The only way you get “cheap” rifle shooting is if you get issued with ammunition. But even then costs of issuing ammunition for practice was high. In the days of muzzleloaders, most soldiers had about 10 live shots a year.

In the past there was subsidised ammo issued to target shooting clubs etc. but those days are long gone.

If you want cheaper ammo go for a 223 or 308 as there is ammo is manufactured and used in high volumes.

Any cartridge that is not mainstream, or specialist expect prices to be high.

Reloading does reduce the cost. But in practice, or certainly in my experience, you just end up shooting more.

If you don’t like paying silly money for ammo, don’t buy it, and take your money elsewhere. Sellers of ammunition may then start dropping prices, or they may have to sit on lots of stock that doesn’t sell. They may or may not go out of business.
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I think you are preaching to the converted, my shooting life goes back a very long way, 50 years, and no shooting was not always expensive a box of .22lr was very affordable. Casting lead bullets and a 1000 primers together with a tin of N310 was £20.50.

Loading shotgun cartridges only pre COVID a kg of powder like Maxam CSB5 was under £40 now the equivalent Vectan AS is around £140 a kg, that’s not simply due to inflation alone.

It’s due to the U.K. manufacturing no powder or virtually no components used in small arms or cartridges.
 
Liveonce said:
I think you are preaching to the converted, my shooting life goes back a very long way, 50 years, and no shooting was not always expensive a box of .22lr was very affordable. Casting lead bullets and a 1000 primers together with a tin of N310 was £20.50.

Loading shotgun cartridges only pre COVID a kg of powder like Maxam CSB5 was under £40 now the equivalent Vectan AS is around £140 a kg, that’s not simply due to inflation alone.

It’s due to the U.K. manufacturing no powder or virtually no components used in small arms or cartridges.
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I bought 2 kg of Vectan AS from Folkstone engineering a few years back before Covid I think it was very cheap as it came in clean white 2 litre milk jugs, he must have bought large kegs of it.
 
Speak to ed at Edinburgh rifles I went to see him for powder ect and I’ve started reloading copper. Wouldn’t pay to feed my 270 or 243 that amount
 
Rake Aboot said:
Bloody ammo

Tried to get rimfire ammo in the borders , wasn’t paying for it , was getting invoiced and was supplied with
Sellier and Bellot no just got some for 17 hornet outstanding accuracy weight of empty case is consistent far better then the hornady a normally feed the hornet 👌

Never used it but apparently it’s utter shite

And it wasn’t cheap!
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