Application to renew

[pjkaz]

My application for renewal FAC & SG certs have now been in with D&C for a few weeks. I've just received a letter granting a 8 week extension it also States it will not be possible to DECIDE your application before your cert expires. I was just wondering if the word DECIDE should cause concern or is this a standard term used by D&C on all such letters . Interested to hear from others .

 

[Stalker62]

Nothing to worry about.

 

[mealiejimmy]

If they cannot decide whether or not to renew your certificate before the end of the 8 week extension, then they must issue you with a Section 7 temporary certificate which will be valid until a decision on your renewal is made
This allows you to possess and use all your existing guns as per your current certificate but does not allow you to buy ammunition.
BTW I'm pretty sure you will get your new cert before the 8 week extension is up.
Issuing section 7 certs is usually seen as a sign of inefficiency and gets that FLD a black mark when they are next audited by the Chief Inspector of Constabulary

Cheers

Bruce

 

[pjkaz]

Thanks i get the purpose of the extension etc. I was hoping to hear from members who have had this extension letter and did it contain the same wording.

 

[pjkaz]

 

[mealiejimmy]

Don't overthink it.
The letter you received uses the word DECIDE in it's normal everyday use
The police are gong to DECIDE whether or not to renew your certificate - simples - no deeper hidden meaning
Every application for a grant or renewal is DECIDED - it is either granted or refused.
The letter merely informs you that the validity of your certificate has been extended by 8 weeks and that everything you could under your exisiting certificate, you can continue to do for the 8 week extension
It's almost 100% certain you'll have your new certificates before the end of the 8 weeks

Cheers

Bruce

 

[pjkaz]

Thanks but I was asking is this the standard wording from D&C

 

[Tikkat3xl]

Thanks but I was asking is this the standard wording from D&C

Yes standard wording, exactly the same as I got along with a second letter of apology explaining why they have fallen behind

 

[pjkaz]

Yes standard wording, exactly the same as I got along with a second letter of apology explaining why they have fallen behind

Thank you it just seemed to be a strange choice of words.

 

[VSS]

Don't fret. All will become apparent.

 

[mealiejimmy]

Thank you it just seemed to be a strange choice of words.

It might be a strange choice of words for you but no-one else seems to have had any problem deciphering the meaning of the word DECIDED

Cheers

Bruce

 

[pjkaz]

Thanks you

 

[Klenchblaize]

Give the guy a break.

Is it too much to ask that one might pick up the phone and actually speak to someone in the Licencing Department who is able to answer a simple 30-second question and in so going allay such concerns?

K

 

[8x57]

Thanks but I was asking is this the standard wording from D&C

A standard letter that seems to be used by many forces. I received an identical letter in January when my certificates were extended by the automatic 8 week extension.
The telephone interview to renew my certificates was conducted literally on the eleventh hour, just a day before the 8 week extension expired.

 

[pjkaz]

Thank you for your reply 8x57 and the helpful info from others. Paul

 

[JTO]

If these 8-week extension letters are the norm, best to either stock up with ammo before sending in your renewal application or keep hold of your certificate so that you can present the letter to an RFD in the hope that you can buy some ammo on the strength of it. DOUBTFUL!

 

[8x57]

Thank you for your reply 8x57 and the helpful info from others. Paul

You're very welcome.
I must admit that although I have held a FAC for over 40 years I too was initially taken aback a bit when I read the word DECIDE. Perhaps the tone of the letter could have been a little less formal?

In a previous role before I retired I was obliged to send out formal letters that were written in a similar serious tone. The letters had to be factually accurate and legally correct and had been vetted by our retained Barrister. I knew that they may possibly cause offence or alarm so I always explained and apoligised for the tone of the letter beforehand.

JTO. I retained my certificate until the new FAC arrived.
Yes you can buy ammunition using the extended "expired" FAC and even firearms if you have a vacant slot for them, but you are required to produce the extension letter along with the old FAC.

 

[Tikka250]

It's all in the wording.

Words like 'decide' give the author a perception of authority and an idea they hold a power over you. Ultimately, they don't, the courts do in this instance and if they 'decide' they won't be renewing your tickets they must be able to present a justifiable case to a court.
Whilst I'd be tempted to write back and remind them they don't decide anything, it's probably not a good idea.

 

[bobthedug]

It's all in the wording.

Words like 'decide' give the author a perception of authority and an idea they hold a power over you. Ultimately, they don't, the courts do in this instance and if they 'decide' they won't be renewing your tickets they must be able to present a justifiable case to a court.
Whilst I'd be tempted to write back and remind them they don't decide anything, it's probably not a good idea.

Really?
Did you read the post previous by 8x57.
What words or phrase should be used then so as not to give the impression to the recipient that they hold power over you?

 

[Tikka250]

Really?
Did you read the post previous by 8x57.
What words or phrase should be used then so as not to give the impression to the recipient that they hold power over you?

Are you asking for a lesson in English?