Approved witness payment

Tilhill and Fountains both asking for level 2
I am on Scottish woodland and Till hill none cared if i had lev 2. I don't get paid so not a pro. never been asked for a cull return. The chap on the land next to mine doesn't have any certs and is shooting Scottish woodlands. Landowners allowing planting on there ground don't care if they trust you your on lev 2 will not get you in the door with those chaps. Forestry companies must only ask for the certs on large bits of ground.

David
 
I am on Scottish woodland and Till hill none cared if i had lev 2. I don't get paid so not a pro. never been asked for a cull return. The chap on the land next to mine doesn't have any certs and is shooting Scottish woodlands. Landowners allowing planting on there ground don't care if they trust you your on lev 2 will not get you in the door with those chaps. Forestry companies must only ask for the certs on large bits of ground.

David
Just the way it used to be “can you shoot deer?”

Yes!

“Crack on!”

That’s how I got all mine
 
I am on Scottish woodland and Till hill none cared if i had lev 2. I don't get paid so not a pro. never been asked for a cull return. The chap on the land next to mine doesn't have any certs and is shooting Scottish woodlands. Landowners allowing planting on there ground don't care if they trust you your on lev 2 will not get you in the door with those chaps. Forestry companies must only ask for the certs on large bits of ground.

David

Landowners may not care but im increasingly finding their insurers do care
Is the lease yours as maybe - as is the case with some of ours that so many in the syndicate need to be qualified
A similar thing with the pheasant shooting and insurance - if we have the "shoot - guns" insured guests qualify for it too while with us
 
Well Gentlemen and Ladies,
Just had an Email from DMQ regarding Approved witnesses and meetings.
Payment required to remain is £64.99. Or pay monthly.
As I am now officially a pensioner I'm not paying for something I don't charge for.

So I'm out. I have a feeling they will loose a fair few good AWs.
I've already cancelled 3 candidates.
Good luck to anyone trying to take it.
Its been going backwards for years IMHO . Penned in Culling and one Beast to manage DSC 2! it finished any interest i had in DMQ . Are many of your clients still bothered in Level 2 .with you when they can go to one of the guys that take them out to penned in deer that get fed
Perhaps this is why many sporting Estates do not even expect a Level 2 in their head stalkers ?
 
Landowners may not care but im increasingly finding their insurers do care
Is the lease yours as maybe - as is the case with some of ours that so many in the syndicate need to be qualified
A similar thing with the pheasant shooting and insurance - if we have the "shoot - guns" insured guests qualify for it too while with us
I don't have a syndicate i shoot the deer on the ground .Have a few trusted mates that come on and shoot a few for me free of charge. I have my SGA insurance as do they we just do the job. To many turning deer stalking/management/control in to some kind of rocket science when its not. Lev one is more than enough if your selling a lot of meat then a MHC would be advisable. Even Nature Scot (Our government advisors) on there little pilots are only asking for lev 1.
 
I don't have a syndicate i shoot the deer on the ground .Have a few trusted mates that come on and shoot a few for me free of charge. I have my SGA insurance as do they we just do the job. To many turning deer stalking/management/control in to some kind of rocket science when its not. Lev one is more than enough if your selling a lot of meat then a MHC would be advisable. Even Nature Scot (Our government advisors) on there little pilots are only asking for lev 1.
Many of us are brain washed that we must be in one of the field sports associations to be insured. This is not so ! A decent household insurance will suffice and it will also cover loss and damage of your gun in use and in the safe etc.
I suspect some associations actually rely on passing the risks to the shooters home insurance policy ?
 
I am on Scottish woodland and Till hill none cared if i had lev 2. I don't get paid so not a pro. never been asked for a cull return. The chap on the land next to mine doesn't have any certs and is shooting Scottish woodlands. Landowners allowing planting on there ground don't care if they trust you your on lev 2 will not get you in the door with those chaps. Forestry companies must only ask for the certs on large bits of ground.

David
Not a problem either but we need to submit cull returns and have L2 for both Tilhill and Fountain.
 
Not a problem either but we need to submit cull returns and have L2 for both Tilhill and Fountain.
Not sure how you got the deer management as that might be the reason for the cert,s. I got the grounds mainly because i was on it before the planting or given it after. I have over 30 bits all small. From 4 acre to 150. Add that to the ground and its great stalking.
 
Not sure how you got the deer management as that might be the reason for the cert,s. I got the grounds mainly because i was on it before the planting or given it after. I have over 30 bits all small. From 4 acre to 150. Add that to the ground and its great stalking.
Syndicate has been on the ground since it was planted in the early 70's (I wasn't a member then!), now almost all 2nd rotation commercial conifers. about 1400 acres
 
It is like school teachers having to pay an exam board in order to teach. It's bonkers.
To be fair plenty of professions require members to pay a yearly fee to a professional body to allow them to practice their career to ensure current knowledge and skills. Doctors, lawyers, plenty of tradesmen, the government contemplated making police officers pay to be allowed to work.

The issue seems to be "I do AW work for free so shouldn't have to pay to be an AW" even though no one is saying they have to do it for free as they could charge whatever they want to cover their costs or make a profit.

To me it seems no different to a Dr paying their fee to the BMC and doing some pro bono work on occasion but complaining about doing the work for free. Either don't do it or only do work you charge for.
 
To be fair plenty of professions require members to pay a yearly fee to a professional body to allow them to practice their career to ensure current knowledge and skills. Doctors, lawyers, plenty of tradesmen, the government contemplated making police officers pay to be allowed to work.

The issue seems to be "I do AW work for free so shouldn't have to pay to be an AW" even though no one is saying they have to do it for free as they could charge whatever they want to cover their costs or make a profit.

To me it seems no different to a Dr paying their fee to the BMC and doing some pro bono work on occasion but complaining about doing the work for free. Either don't do it or only do work you charge for.
I totally understand the comparison with doctors and other professional bodies. But as I said earlier, those bodies provide considerable support to their members. I have absolutely no problem paying a subscription fee to a professional body if they provide something in return.

However, DMQ currently do nothing for AWs. They have identified where an organisation can exert near complete control over progression in the sector, and have seized it. They make money from candidates and use the free labour of AWs to do so.

So in that sense it is NOTHING like doctors. Even when you see a private GP, you do not pay the BMC for the privilege - you pay the GP!

As I said: it is the equivalent of an exam board charging both the candidates for taking an exam and the teachers for teaching. It is nothing short of a scam.

I suppose the simplest comparison would be with driving testers. Who do they pay to remain as a tester? And what proportion of the test fee goes to them versus DVLA versus the professional body?
 
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Its been going backwards for years IMHO . Penned in Culling and one Beast to manage DSC 2! it finished any interest i had in DMQ . Are many of your clients still bothered in Level 2 .with you when they can go to one of the guys that take them out to penned in deer that get fed
Perhaps this is why many sporting Estates do not even expect a Level 2 in their head stalkers ?
I probably had about 2 to 4 Level 2 stalks per season.

Funnily enough I've now had 2 people off this site offer to pay the £65 for me to remain an AW. One who had booked in with me for later this year. I had a long discussion with him yesterday afternoon in regards to undertaking his Level 2. He has approached at least 4 other Aw's who have refused or do not want to get involved either because they have left, or are about too.
But I have declined their generous offer. Its not the money, its the principle of the matter, and also the distance involved to go and listen to someone, who no doubt has not had as much experience as many that will/or maybe not attend? Also their arrogant attitude in not responding to any emails.

Not a good sign at all.
 
But I have declined their generous offer. Its not the money, its the principle of the matter, and also the
Exactly this. The money is insignificant, and (has been pointed out) can be built into any AWs ‘business model’.

It’s the fact that the organisation is getting our expertise for free, while charging our clients for the privilege, and providing nothing in return.

Time to unionise 😁
 
Time was when the AW asked the questions,then the Assessor,s role was QA.

Now AW don't ask questions that's the Assessor so they need far more experience.
 
Time was when the AW asked the questions,then the Assessor,s role was QA.

Now AW don't ask questions that's the Assessor so they need far more experience.
And yet the Assessors frequently seem wildly out of touch and obsessed with very idiosyncratic interpretations of the guidelines.

I do degree level assessment both internally for my University and externally as QA at other universities. DMQ’s whole system bears about as much resemblance to robust and professional assessment as a 5 year old’s Lego does to an F1 car!
 
And yet the Assessors frequently seem wildly out of touch and obsessed with very idiosyncratic interpretations of the guidelines.

I do degree level assessment both internally for my University and externally as QA at other universities. DMQ’s whole system bears about as much resemblance to robust and professional assessment as a 5 year old’s Lego does to an F1 car!
That's because the vast majority are not full time deer stalkers, and no doubt their experience is limited in many cases. Looking at companies house there seems to be only one on the board who is employed in deer management.
 
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