Are We Boycotting Wildcat Moderators?

[Klenchblaize]

Was just about to splash some cash on a Wildcat Evolution in .25 but then recalled a thread that berated the Company for not selling even direct replacement spares. That alone could be enough to make me change my mind but wondered if the SD consensus was to avoid Wildcat products in the hope of bringing the Owners to their senses?

K

 

[alun1960]

I will not buy their products .

 

[User00040]

Would not go out of my way to buy any UK made shooting products. They are usually the same price or often more expensive than imported makes from the EU or USA and often don't perform as well.

ASE UTRA probably make the best moderators, in terms of the weight/price/size and sound moderation compromise, with their SL5i series being my choice.

No dissasembly or cleaning required!

 

[Muir]

No dissasembly or cleaning required!

Disposable then? The laws here for suppressors are so stringent that you can't by "spares" at all. Suppressors each carry a $200 tax and good ones are expensive. I have five suppressors, two of which are a modular model that cost more then the rifles I put them on. ($1000 + Tax stamp) All of the suppressors I buy are customer serviceable, and made of titanium. They tend to be very tough items that I expect to outlive me. ~Muir

 

[plonker]

I wont purchase a new wildcat moderator when mine are finished!
They are good mods but the interchangeable parts were the main selling point for me.

 

[stalker.308]

Disposable then? The laws here for suppressors are so stringent that you can't by "spares" at all. Suppressors each carry a $200 tax and good ones are expensive. I have five suppressors, two of which are a modular model that cost more then the rifles I put them on. ($1000 + Tax stamp) All of the suppressors I buy are customer serviceable, and made of titanium. They tend to be very tough items that I expect to outlive me. ~Muir

The sl5i is made from 300 series stainless steel, and is bomb proof without needing to be stripped. I give mine a little spray of wd40 but they say even that is not really required.

i was put off the wildcat by the sheer size of them. I just don't think there is a need to have something so big and heavy and the diameter was massive, to achieve the same reduction in noise as something like the sl5i, which is what I went with in the end.

 

[User00040]

Disposable then? The laws here for suppressors are so stringent that you can't by "spares" at all. Suppressors each carry a $200 tax and good ones are expensive. I have five suppressors, two of which are a modular model that cost more then the rifles I put them on. ($1000 + Tax stamp) All of the suppressors I buy are customer serviceable, and made of titanium. They tend to be very tough items that I expect to outlive me. ~Muir

Welded stainless steel.

I'd say a secondhand ASE would run around £200 for the newer SL(i) series, around £100+ for older gen. New they are a bit below £300. Most of the quality moderators are around this price range.

You are probably a good candidate for shooting out a moderator (and I don't mean blowing up via baffle strike! )

I'm sure the US made titanium silencers are great, like Surefire, which are unobtanium here (on the legal, civillian market at least) due to ITAR!

 

[User00040]

i was put off the wildcat by the sheer size of them. I just don't think there is a need to have something so big and heavy and the diameter was massive, to achieve the same reduction in noise as something like the sl5i, which is what I went with in the end.

Another fact is the Wilcats do leak gas quite noticeably around the rear bushing

 

[Leec6.5]

Was just about to splash some cash on a Wildcat Evolution in .25 but then recalled a thread that berated the Company for not selling even direct replacement spares. That alone could be enough to make me change my mind but wondered if the SD consensus was to avoid Wildcat products in the hope of bringing the Owners to their senses?

K

Whats the problem shoot it until it falls to bits and get another one!

Just because they sold spares does not mean the have to continue doing so!

 

[Muir]

Welded stainless steel.

I'd say a secondhand ASE would run around £200 for the newer SL(i) series, around £100+ for older gen. New they are a bit below £300. Most of the quality moderators are around this price range.

You are probably a good candidate for shooting out a moderator (and I don't mean blowing up via baffle strike! )

I'm sure the US made titanium silencers are great, like Surefire, which are unobtanium here (on the legal, civillian market at least) due to ITAR!

With titanium you are unlikely to wear anything out and a baffle strike could only happen from carelessness. The suppressors I bought are long-ish these days, but I'm not a 'tactical guy' and hunt / shoot largely on the prairies so length is not much of a concern. Actually though, the only deer I've killed with a suppressed rifle was on a forested island. Mostly I do without them.

This is my CZ 527, 300AC with my standard suppressor. ~Muir


And it's accurate. This is removing the staple from a target at 100 yards with Remington Factory ammo. Great ammo but filthy.

 

[Woodsmoke]

Another fact is the Wilcats do leak gas quite noticeably around the rear bushing

A failing all too common to many of us . . . . . .

 

[Muir]

The sl5i is made from 300 series stainless steel, and is bomb proof without needing to be stripped. I give mine a little spray of wd40 but they say even that is not really required.

At some point, the crud must build up to a notable degree? ~Muir

 

[One on top of two]

At some point, the crud must build up to a notable degree? ~Muir

I have x2 Jet Z compacts ( not north-star )
And a Jet Z cqb .223

Never cleaned . I was told by Jackson rifles it’s to do with the way the fins / slots inside are made. Sort of becomes self cleaning I suppose. Either way I have put my bore scope inside and there’s no build up to speak of and mine have had 100s through all of them .

 

[Rory]

I went with the MAE T12 bushless compact stainless moderator. No disassembly required, over barrel with no bushing, very compact (38mm diameter) and good attenuation.
Spoke to the manufacturer - no cleaning required, just a bit of nickel grease on the threads (not copper grease).

 

[SussexSteve]

Probably were forced to stop selling the components for legal reasons

 

[Muir]

I have x2 Jet Z compacts ( not north-star )
And a Jet Z cqb .223

Never cleaned . I was told by Jackson rifles it’s to do with the way the fins / slots inside are made. Sort of becomes self cleaning I suppose. Either way I have put my bore scope inside and there’s no build up to speak of and mine have had 100s through all of them .

That's great. On mine I disassemble and put the baffles in an ultrasonic cleaner. Clean the tube and reassemble. The baffles are stacked in a specific order and are keyed into each other. Keeping them aligned while reinserting into the tube is a knack.

Easy enough, but if they are not cleaned regularly the baffle stack can be a chore to remove. The maker recommends every 100 rounds or so for easy maintenance. It is not uncommon to put 100 rounds center fire through one in a day of casual target practice. ~Muir

 

[User00040]

At some point, the crud must build up to a notable degree? ~Muir

Doubt it!

How often do you clean your vehicle exhaust systems?

Carbon makes it quiet!

 

[Muir]

Doubt it!

How often do you clean your vehicle exhaust systems?

Carbon makes it quiet!

If you say so. ~Muir

 

[User00040]

If you say so. ~Muir

Thought you were in the anti-cleaning camp...

 

[Leec6.5]

I have x2 Jet Z compacts ( not north-star )
And a Jet Z cqb .223

Never cleaned . I was told by Jackson rifles it’s to do with the way the fins / slots inside are made. Sort of becomes self cleaning I suppose. Either way I have put my bore scope inside and there’s no build up to speak of and mine have had 100s through all of them .

My jet z had had over 4000 rounds through it!