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This is actually very true. But there is a process involved where boxes have to be ticked. Thats it.
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This is actually very true. But there is a process involved where boxes have to be ticked. Thats it.
widows son
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"remember the AW is only as good as the client he has out"
What a load of twaddle, surely an AW only gets to be so because, allegedly, they have more experience and have had more "practise" than the Candidate.
In addition I believe an interview, or vetting process, is carried out before AW status is granted. or is it that "to many just get signed off to early"
Roger the statement above is accurate and quite true, if the level two candidate has not brought him or herself to the required standard the AW can only write what he is presented with at the end of the day.
The process of becoming a AW is one of you must be firstly willing to accept the role, of walking behind someone, who maybe sounding like a brass band or hasn't a clue in the Gralloch process, and not say anything or to prompt them to the answer correctly, you are only an observer with a sharp pencil .
Becoming a AW for many including myself was to take the assessor out stalking, watch him find,shoot, Gralloch and larder a deer ,you must tick all the boxes in portfolio, questioning and observing, then after summery he may just let you have the AW status but i done mine right at the beginning it may have changed by now .
This system is only as good as the people that participate in it, if people don't have the interest in furthering there interest by educating themselves, there's nothing the AW or assessment centre can do about it, it all comes down to the individual at the end of the day.
6pointer
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Roger you really should know better. I have witnessed many deer stalkers who had far more experience than my self and no doubt this has happened to every AW out there. But at the end of the day we only write what we see and for some that would not be enough to fulfill the PC,s. Most of the AW,s i know do not charge a Pennie for witnessing so it is down to the stalker to select who he would like to follow him . Not every ones cup of tea and the reason why when you look at the list only a few take more than one or two out a year.
caorach
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Actually this is probably the crux of the matter.
Hunting Experiences
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I’m going to throw a question out there then. Do people feel that the DMQ 2 is accurate and strength to have. (A candidate can go out and shoot three Muntjac and be qualified to the same level as a guy who has shot 3 Red - fine. However the person who shot the three Munties may not know how to deal with the reds or the environment that the reds live in.)
I’m guess what I’m trying to get at is do people think that the level two should entail at least two different species and or two different topographies of ground.
I’m guess what I’m trying to get at is do people think that the level two should entail at least two different species and or two different topographies of ground.
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Not a bad idea but i'm not sure. Many lads i deal with are older and will only ever shoot roe, they are not interested in hills and quad bikes or travelling out of their comfort zone. Maybe time for dsc3 doing all species ?
Well that sounds like a money spinner if I ever did hear of one.
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yes thats why my post had a ? at the end.
pheasant sniper 1
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Then howabout a level 4 for Boar and a level 5 for ???
Dont you all think its costly enough as it is?
There's already a huge differential between the numbers of people who have done DSCL1 & those that have done DSCL2.
widows son
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There is not a problem with three of anything the level two is the practical aspect of the level one theory, it is about understanding the industry standard of how, safety, health and hygiene, should be dealt with, as venison far more readily available in some retail store for sale .
The deer there self are not dealt with any different, no matter if it is a muntjac or a red stag the same process applies, the only differences are size and extraction methods .
Two different species mmm two different topos mmmm, you have huge Red in England Muntjac,Chinese water, Fallow, Sika and Roe all field and forest dwelling animals so what would you want to be different ? The stalkers come to Scotland to hill extract deer ?? not practical .
EMcC
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When I am witnessing, I always throw in a question about what has to be considered when handling/dealing with the larger species, particularly when they have just thrown a munty or Roe into a Roe sack and put on their back ready for the off.
The answer I always/nearly always get, is the need for lifting kit, other method of extraction and awarenes of handling heavy loads and personal lifting ability bearing in mind most stalking is carried out in isolated areas and on their own.
That is the sort of answer I have been given so would show the person dealing with a Muntjac or Roe realises the difference.
The answer I always/nearly always get, is the need for lifting kit, other method of extraction and awarenes of handling heavy loads and personal lifting ability bearing in mind most stalking is carried out in isolated areas and on their own.
That is the sort of answer I have been given so would show the person dealing with a Muntjac or Roe realises the difference.
No, I think it's all terribly good value. My DSC1 cost me £150 for assessment only. Level two registration £105 (with BASC), many AW have stated here they don't charge extra. Even ones that make a modest charge for time for most people you are going to be paying to stalk these deer anyway.
For comparison I am doing a 2 day course later this month that is costing over £800.
I'd actually welcome more levels of training that were there as an option for shooters. Not everyone comes from a shooting background. Maybe it's the way I have learnt and been trained in my line of work, but doing a course, learning how to do something and then getting on with it really suits me to the ground.
We should welcome the system not resent it.
This is a dismal thread, full of negativity.
Shame on the thread starter, what was the point of such sh*t stirring ?
Perhaps some attempt at further empire building.
Or maybe its "divide and rule".
You "pros" are so easily manipulated.
The days of "incredible" witnesses have been over for a while, I hope.
Before posting, take a hard look at how the majority of this site (maybe your future clients) look on at this self destructive behaviour.
Shame on the thread starter, what was the point of such sh*t stirring ?
Perhaps some attempt at further empire building.
Or maybe its "divide and rule".
You "pros" are so easily manipulated.
The days of "incredible" witnesses have been over for a while, I hope.
Before posting, take a hard look at how the majority of this site (maybe your future clients) look on at this self destructive behaviour.
pheasant sniper 1
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No resentment on my part as such Apache,
The key word you use is OPTION, but how long before that option is then seen as desireable and enforced by FLO's
Why not have a compulsory First Aid, Manual Handling, Off Road Driving Cert,
The £800 you quote wouldnt cover the diesel weve paid sending our lads on the ever growing PC courses this year alone..
Carefull what you wish for i recon..
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