AW's ..... Ever had a bad one???

[Jelendeer]

Hi everyone,

Just wondering if anyone has ever had a bad AW? ......... If so in what way?

Regards,

Mike
(Director - Jelen Deer Services) Home | Jelen Deer Services

 

[widows son]

yes, always seems to be the one's you've got to pay for .

 

[375 mag]

+ 1 high fees and wanted to stalk my land on his own one outing for each outing he accompanied me !

Told 4 over phone where to go before i finally found a man that did it for free all he wanted was written proof i had permission and he had permission to accompany me

 

[Jelendeer]

yes, always seems to be the one's you've got to pay for .

Do you mean that you have paid for them, and then you find out they are bad? ...... Or are they bad because you've had to pay for them?

If its the former, in what way were they bad?

Regards,

Mike.

 

[Jelendeer]

+ 1 high fees and wanted to stalk my land on his own one outing for each outing he accompanied me !

Told 4 over phone where to go before i finally found a man that did it for free all he wanted was written proof i had permission and he had permission to accompany me

Hmmmmm ..... That sounds familiar!!!

 

[375 mag]

I've had mine some time now but when it first came out people wanted silly money i hope things have changed !

 

[limulus]

Yes. First one was £140 to witness then £60 for the stalk then the cost of the carcass. As I was not performing the gralloch as he wanted (I was performing the gralloch in accordance with best practice as witnessed by the stalker who also accompanied us). Followed this up with one of the assessors who agreed my method was fine. This was subsequently proven by performing the gralloch in exactly the same way with subsequent (free!) AW's.

 

[widows son]

Do you mean that you have paid for them, and then you find out they are bad? ...... Or are they bad because you've had to pay for them?

If its the former, in what way were they bad?

Regards,

Mike.

To be honest Mike i never paid for my AW .But being a long standing AW that doesn't charge for my services at all or accept gifts .

I have at this moment three portfolios in my possession out of the three of them two have been paid for by "so called", providers to the deer industry the content is a disaster which wont pass water, never mind a IV or EV ,but they were charged top dollar for services, one guy has had 4 deer and 4 outings, but was told he hadn't done things correctly and must do another stalk he paid for three of the stalks but a gut shot deer wanst to count for an AW stalk. AYE RIGHT ROBBED at least dick turpin wore a mask

A load of bcllocks the AW only writes up what he See's, he isn't the yes or no, man .

 

[Hunting Experiences]

Are People saying it should be free for AW's

 

[unicorn71]

Yep i had a real cowboy who claimed to be a AW then wanted me to shoot a roe out of his car window on
a country lane Then told me after i had legally killed a deer that he had fallen out with B.A.S.C and could
not witness the stalk !

 

[limulus]

I'm not saying it should be free at all. Maybe its just a learning process we all have to go through to sort the wheat from the chaff. It would be a far better system if it was free for a candidate and the AW was paid for from a central body so that the level of witnessing could be kept consistent for both the candidate and the award.

 

[375 mag]

Like i said my AW charged me nothing for his time very nice chap new his stuff i bought him a bottle of whisky and his wife some flowers.
Its a shame more people can't help others out in the same way it's all about money money whats in it for me !

 

[Hunting Experiences]

I'm not saying it should be free at all. Maybe its just a learning process we all have to go through to sort the wheat from the chaff. It would be a far better system if it was free for a candidate and the AW was paid for from a central body so that the level of witnessing could be kept consistent for both the candidate and the award.

Like the idea

 

[Jelendeer]

Jeeeeezz!! .... I thought I had a couple of bad stories from clients of ours, but nothing compared to these!!

One of our clients had an AW who LED the stalk, spooked a couple of Roe, said the field was too big for Roe, and went back to the car about 45mins before dark!....... And then charged the poor man £75.00 for the outing!!

For every two good reports I hear about AW's, I hear one bad one!

Mike
(Director - Jelen Deer Services) Home | Jelen Deer Services

 

[bewsher500]

if you turn into a enterprise with reward from a central body you will attract exactly the kind of people you/we dont need IMO.
I personally was comfortable with the self regulation and the Credible witness system.
You are always going to get people taking the **** regardless if they are AW or CW

hopefully the idea that it is a self regulating effort by the deer management community to demonstrate our ongoing effort to maintain standards.

The problem I see is the huge chasm between DSC1 numbers and AW numbers.
How "they" expect a reasonable uptake of DSC2 when the number of AW's is still quite low I am not sure.

Lot of paid for stalking is run by people who are not DSC2 witnesses.

It is challenging enough to get a deer in one place, in range. to then add the issue of trying to get three (stalker, AW and client) people to be there at the same time is even more challenging!!

 

[willie_gunn]

Are People saying it should be free for AW's

"Am I allowed to charge candidate for witnessing?

DMQ cannot insist that you do not charge but ask that any charges be fair and brought to​

the candidates attention before witnessing is arranged. Many Witnesses make no charge."

It's all there on DMQ's website and anyone can read it, AW's and candidates alike, if only they can be bothered: http://www.dmq.org.uk/downloads/Approved Witness Handbook.pdf

If someone is looking for an AW they can go through the list of AW's provided by the Assessment Center and ask each one what will be the charge. If you don't like what one AW tells you, call the next. In fact call a few first....you may be surprised.

willie_gunn

 

[Jelendeer]

I'm not saying it should be free at all. Maybe its just a learning process we all have to go through to sort the wheat from the chaff. It would be a far better system if it was free for a candidate and the AW was paid for from a central body so that the level of witnessing could be kept consistent for both the candidate and the award.

+1

 

[EMcC]

Jeeeeezz!! .... I thought I had a couple of bad stories from clients of ours, but nothing compared to these!!One of our clients had an AW who LED the stalk, spooked a couple of Roe, said the field was too big for Roe, and went back to the car about 45mins before dark!....... And then charged the poor man £75.00 for the outing!!
For every two good reports I hear about AW's, I hear one bad one!
Mike

I feel that anybody that feels they have been charged exorbitantly or if the stalk was handled incorrectly should be reported to whoever the candidate is registered with, be it BASC or BDS.

 

[Monkey Spanker]

I don't charge for my AW services, but I wouldn't expect to end up out of pocket either for travel expenses etc. I think that the recent re-brief process and the 'thinning out' of less active AW's may have hopefully weeded out any bad ones. I don't think the system will now tollerate any bad reports. You won't get too many chances now before you find yourself no longer an AW!
I think the recent changes have returned the whole process to an accepted and 'credible' one. It will always have its critics, and they will always be the ones that haven't done it. Everyone I know that has done it has seen its value and generally enjoyed the process. It is a 'quantom leap' from the DSC 1 course and an achievment that the holder should be proud of.
MS

 

[willie_gunn]

I'm not saying it should be free at all. Maybe its just a learning process we all have to go through to sort the wheat from the chaff. It would be a far better system if it was free for a candidate and the AW was paid for from a central body so that the level of witnessing could be kept consistent for both the candidate and the award.

An interesting idea, and not without merit, but personally I would disagree. A whole layer of administration to cover a service a that many already provide for free or for a minimal cost (e.g. £10 per witnessed stalk, on top of regular stalking fees)? How would you factor in the costs of travelling to the client's own ground? Or for borrowing a rifle/ammo? How would you even prove the outing took place? IMHO a central payment scheme would open up a whole different can of worms.

So far as keeping the witnessing consistent, that is the job of DMQ and the Internal and External Verifiers....and is paid for out of the registration fee.

willie_gunn