Bloody Boris, Hancock, Javid and the NHS

[Heym SR20]

There are ffing Cockwombles the lot of them. The NHS is totally mismanaged.

I arrived at my parents last night. My Pa in his mid 80’s had a major fall on his hip last June and fractured femur from hip to knee. Ambulance to hosital. Surgery and ten days later he was wheeled out onto the sidewalk of the John Radcliffe.

My late 70’s mother who was in need of a hip replacement was left to get him into the car on her own. Porters wouldn’t help because of covid.

18 months later Mum has not had her hip replacement. She gets around by crawling on her knees. Of course being of that Stoic generation she just waits for the call.

I have not seen them for three months. Last night she fell at 3am and couldn’t get up. Ambulance called. Taken to A&E. 15 hours later she has been dischsrged, still unable to walk with some tramadol.

Now if she had been treated months ago it would have been in and out surgery, and then she would be active and no strain on the system.

Now I am looking at being the long term caregiver to both of them.

I think out of all of Europe we are second highest contributor per person to our healthcare system. Germany is the highest. Yet we cannot even get basic treatment for out loved ones. I have tried private. No capacity.

And yet some are making billions out of the Covid Pandemic.

I don’t blame the frontline staff. They are equally as frustrated. Its the politicians and idiots in charge that can’t get the basics right.

 

[enfieldspares]

Having lived and worked in France for some twenty years on and off and having accompanied clients there to hospitals the uselessness of the NHS compared to elesewhere in Europe comes as no surprise. But in the UK you get what you vote for don't you.

 

[Skietindiekop]

Unfortunately we are in the all too common position that the minority are causing the majority the most disruption.
IF they had any sense they would deny NHS treatment to those that have chosen to decline the vaccine. The hospitals and doctors surgeries would now be well able to cope with the fewer people needing Covid treatment and would be getting through a much bigger proportion of the cancellations that so many had to accept.

 

[Ade8mm]

And Skietindeikop what would you say to people like me who are happy to have a booster but can't get one I am back in England now after having two Azen jabs whilst stuck overseas for 8 mnths (work related) and unable to get back.
Getting a booster here is next to impossible. Gp doesn't want to know - "call 119" Man on 119 says I have to make an appointment and travel to Bristol with the paperwork. Cant fit me in "call back in a month"
When asked why the GP (who is on the system and has been doing jabs right through) cant do it , the prat on 119 said "GPs are only allowed to enter personal info." !!! Wtf? If my medical records are something other than "personal" then words fail me. So much for the idiot in No. 10 claiming everyone is eligible for a booster. Local MP has been emailed (who also happens to be Health Minister S Javid) - I wont hold my breath.
Incompetent from start to finish. Appalling

 

[Pedro]

I really don’t think it matters which lot are in power, the NHS has been sliding for a long while and it’s for 2 reasons. Firstly, science has meant we can now do a lot more for people, but they didn’t increase the capacity. Secondly, because it’s free, all the great unwashed toddle along to A&E for any minor ailment, clogging everything up. It doesn’t help that GP surgeries have the same problems and with the current pandemic are seeing hardly anyone. So what is needed is some proper investment and a proper policy on what they will and won’t treat. Because at present, despite the medical staff playing blinders, it’s dysfunctional.

 

[Skietindiekop]

And Skietindeikop what would you say to people like me who are happy to have a booster but can't get one I am back in England now after having two Azen jabs whilst stuck overseas for 8 mnths (work related) and unable to get back.
Getting a booster here is next to impossible. Gp doesn't want to know - "call 119" Man on 119 says I have to make an appointment and travel to Bristol with the paperwork. Cant fit me in "call back in a month"
When asked why the GP (who is on the system and has been doing jabs right through) cant do it , the prat on 119 said "GPs are only allowed to enter personal info." !!! Wtf? If my medical records are something other than "personal" then words fail me. So much for the idiot in No. 10 claiming everyone is eligible for a booster. Local MP has been emailed (who also happens to be Health Minister S Javid) - I wont hold my breath.
Incompetent from start to finish. Appalling

I think you missed the words ‘chosen to decline’. I understand there will be some who cannot get it for various reasons but my post was not aimed at those in that situation.

 

[308tikka]

Unfortunately we are in the all too common position that the minority are causing the majority the most disruption.
IF they had any sense they would deny NHS treatment to those that have chosen to decline the vaccine.

And vaccines have exactly WHAT to do with knee/hip surgery?

So you would prevent medical care to pregnant women?

Prevent medical care to those with existing histories or allergies that cant have these vaccines?

Lets go fully private then, and stop taxing those who decline medical intervention within their rights under longstanding international law.

The wards are NOT blocked by anti-vaccine patients, btw. There is no good evidence for this and wild claims of 90% are completely unsubstantiated. It is winter, and respiratory disease is always increased. However, much better than this time last year!

The treatment of the OPs parents is disgusting, but there will be a reckoning.

Probably after another major economic event causing national bankruptcy. The waste inside the NHS is shocking, attitude stinks, and most of the ‘health’ workers I saw in hospital a few weeks ago are obese, unfit and a shocking example. In my experience, obesity has a direct correlation to laziness.

Id have no problem with a private system of insurance now.

 

[saddler]

Unfortunately we are in the all too common position that the minority are causing the majority the most disruption.
IF they had any sense they would deny NHS treatment to those that have chosen to decline the vaccine. The hospitals and doctors surgeries would now be well able to cope with the fewer people needing Covid treatment and would be getting through a much bigger proportion of the cancellations that so many had to accept.

,,,can we add to the ban list smokers, anyone consuming the known poison alcohol, fatty food addicts, the obese - in all the rotund forms, folk newly arrived in the country who've not paid a penny in NI contributions, drug users/addicts, single parent families, folk with STD's, used car salesmen, professional footballers, amateur footballers, Remoaners, left handed types.....and definitely the gingers!

I happily continue to decline ANY experimental drugs which the manufacturers have stated they carry no long term liability for; esp. this week as I cannot yet work out if the fourth jab we've been told to get is a stand-alone cure-all or I need to get the first three that didn't work for the fourth one to be effective??

We're living interesting times - the first time in history when the vaccinated are more at risk from the unvaccinated in society
The UK .gov graphs are showing a huge decline in the death rate - but the MSM are spinning the stats to cherry pick the new infected Omicron folk..., as if that strain has identical virility to the previous two or three.
At least Fauci is getting his money worth out of the cash he put into Wuhan Bat Soup Inc,

The BIG concern is that it is NOT compulsory to receive this or any vaccine - it is personal choice - and it is also mandated under Law that people cannot be forced to comply with such a policy (laws that were a direct result of some of the legal policies adopted during the Third Reich - as all the war-crimes that took place under that regime were legally allowed by the laws the Nazis passed to make them legally allowed
Nuremberg Code (Directives for Human Experimentation)

 

[Apthorpe]

Having lived and worked in France for some twenty years on and off and having accompanied clients there to hospitals the uselessness of the NHS compared to elesewhere in Europe comes as no surprise.

Indeed.

But in the UK you get what you vote for don't you.

Well, we don't. Because all parties worship at the altar of how wonderful the distinctly mediocre NHS is.

There are ffing Cockwombles the lot of them. The NHS is totally mismanaged.

Yes it is. But this is NOT a consequence of the many deficiencies of Hancock, Johnson, Javid or Hunt. The NHS has been disastrously mismanaged for many decades.

I arrived at my parents last night. My Pa in his mid 80’s had a major fall on his hip last June and fractured femur from hip to knee. Ambulance to hosital. Surgery and ten days later he was wheeled out onto the sidewalk of the John Radcliffe.

My late 70’s mother who was in need of a hip replacement was left to get him into the car on her own. Porters wouldn’t help because of covid.

18 months later Mum has not had her hip replacement. She gets around by crawling on her knees. Of course being of that Stoic generation she just waits for the call.

I have not seen them for three months. Last night she fell at 3am and couldn’t get up. Ambulance called. Taken to A&E. 15 hours later she has been dischsrged, still unable to walk with some tramadol.

Now if she had been treated months ago it would have been in and out surgery, and then she would be active and no strain on the system.

Now I am looking at being the long term caregiver to both of them.

This is all so sad and so unnecessary, and so frequently repeated.

I think out of all of Europe we are second highest contributor per person to our healthcare system.

To be fair, that's not quite right. Our spending percentage of GDP is eighth, behind Germany, France, Sweden, Norway, Belgium, Austria and Denmark (although the difference is small in the latter cases), but is fifteenth in per capita terms - significantly lower than some European states. Although many of those have higher spending because they are so small and have no economy of scale.

Germany is the highest. Yet we cannot even get basic treatment for out loved ones. I have tried private. No capacity.

And yet some are making billions out of the Covid Pandemic.

I don’t blame the frontline staff.

You ought to.

They are equally as frustrated.

They are the ones who rigidly oppose any effort to reform or improve the system.

Its the politicians and idiots in charge that can’t get the basics right.

That's because it is beyond their direct control and the population and media enforce this ridiculous pseudo-religious dogma that the NHS is the envy of the world and any suggestion that it isn't is heresy and somehow an insult to the staff.

 

[enfieldspares]

That's because it is beyond their direct control and the population and media enforce this ridiculous pseudo-religious dogma that the NHS is the envy of the world and any suggestion that it isn't is heresy and somehow an insult to the staff.

Yes. The NHS in 2014 in fact killed my mother with hospital pneumonia after she had been admitted after a fall at home.

Coincidentally I had arrived in Paris back in 2012 on the opening evening of the London Olympics and (as I myself had had to go to hospital with broken glass in my head that very evening) missed the silly bloody tribute to the "envy of the world" NHS that was part of the ceremony. You should have seen the other bloke though...except he, the other bloke, was my driver's windscreen mounted rear view mirror!

 

[Tazz]

11 years of Tory cuts, the NHS is barely fit for purpose.

 

[User00047]

I shot this Buck a couple of years ago. He’s a bit untidy looking but it was a great hunt. Shot from 12 yds in woodland.

 

[Apthorpe]

11 years of Tory cuts, the NHS is barely fit for purpose.

There haven't been any cuts. The Tories have showered it with cash. The NHS was unfit for purpose when the Tories got in, and to be fair to Labour, it was pretty damn poor in '97

 

[Tagoat]

Nothing at all to do with budget cuts.
Pure unadulterated bad management. Top to bottom. It needs root & branch surgery.
I dealt with NHS purchasing for years (actually they call it procurement now !) A shambles doesn't cover it at all.
The NHS is absolutely incapable of purchasing a pint of milk efficiently & economically for heaven's sake, let alone all the sophisticated services it requires. Really. I do not jest.
Their incompetance is as complete as that.
It's an utter disgrace.

 

[willie_gunn]

You'd think for a budget of £162.6 billion per year the NHS could at least get the basics right. Sadly even if the budget was double that, I fear it would still be dysfunctional.

If COVID has taught us anything, it is that the NHS organisation and management needs radical reform.

 

[bobthedug]

11 years of Tory cuts, the NHS is barely fit for purpose.

And yet it is on it's arse in Scotland

 

[wildrover77]

Nothing at all to do with budget cuts.
Pure unadulterated bad management. Top to bottom. It needs root & branch surgery.
I dealt with NHS purchasing for years (actually they call it procurement now !) A shambles doesn't cover it at all.
The NHS is absolutely incapable of purchasing a pint of milk efficiently & economically for heaven's sake, let alone all the sophisticated services it requires. Really. I do not jest.
Their incompetance is as complete as that.
It's an utter disgrace.

I worked NHS procurement on a 6 month contract. You are being much to generous with your criticism. I am astounded the NHS actually functions. The stories I could tell!!

 

[Tagoat]

I'm on my Hobby-Horse now!
Never thought I would utter the dreaded words of "privatisation" but by God the NHS purchasing/procurement function needs a damned good dose of it.
A bit (a lot actually) of professional commercial purchasing is required. It would save the NHS many many £millions.

 

[Apthorpe]

In many ways, the staff are the biggest problem. The "frontline staff", many of whom are excellent at performing medicine, are almost always content to be complicit in covering outrageous incompetence in

Regrettably, parts of my family has been consuming a lot of healthcare recently. Universally, they are completely and dangerously incapable of organising the simplest thing. The administrative staff are a complete disgrace to even a Soviet department store. A significant subset of the nursing staff are a danger.

My wife ought to be having a cancer operation in 10 days time, yet the NHS staff are refusing to make an appointment for her until a month after the operation should have been done (this is not an area affected by backlog), They simply cannot and will not understand how to use a calendar.
My mother routinely had similar problems as well as having operations scheduled but nobody in the NHS thinking of notifying the patient. It is endless and universal in extent, and nobody is prepared to demand their team operate to a standard anythinglike approaching what is regarded as criminally negligent in the real world.

 

[Apthorpe]

I'm on my Hobby-Horse now!
Never thought I would utter the dreaded words of "privatisation" but by God the NHS purchasing/procurement function needs a damned good dose of it.
A bit (a lot actually) of professional commercial purchasing is required. It would save the NHS many many £billions.

You won't mind me correcting your typo.