Changes to Firearms Licensing. What would you do?

[Liveonce]

The system used in Norway-similar to NZ I believe. Your guns arent licensed-YOU are licensed and if you get pulled over having had a drink,

I know somebody who lost their shotgun licence through drink driving, second offence. Told to reapply after three years, but never did.

I know somebody who lost his shotgun licence through a punch up over a parking space in a fast food car park, all on CCTV.

Yet if the reports are correct this individual had his gun returned after an anger management course.

 

[Morkai]

Step 1 are you suggesting every applicant for a gun be that what’s is now a section 1 or 2 must be a member of recognised shooting club? What is your definition of such a club? And why mandatory? what possible benefit do you see coming from such a requirement?

Certainly from previous posts on SD their are firearm owners who are not members of any shooting club.

Virtually all of the most dangerous handling of firearms I have witnessed over forty plus years have been within a club environment, such that an individual was shot in the leg after the bullet past through a table.

I thought the same.

I have no interest in becoming a memeber of a shooting club, I like rural rough shooting.

Clubs can be full of people you dont know, you dont know how competent they are, Id rather go out alone or with people I know and trust.

Can you see farmers joining a club so they can have a utility shotgun......nope.

 

[Morkai]

My boss said today to a colleague, not knowing I like shooting "what normal person would want or need a gun?"

Are gamekeepers, sports shooters, competition shooters, farmers, pest controllers not "normal people"

Smh.

 

[308tikka]

If you have ‘land’ you will have good reason..... being a club member will be ‘good reason’. Not my view but i think it will come in....

The days of the police having to prove why someone shouldnt have a SG are numbered ...

 

[Liveonce]

If george digweed had achieved what he has achieved in any other sport he would be a house hold name and probably as a consequence very rich as it is nobody outside shooting has heard of him, it is a sport most never hear about.

 

[mealiejimmy]

The story of Dunblane was the the FEO dealing with Hamiltons renewal recommended that his certificate be revoked.
The Assistant Chief Constable (now deceased) was a freemason buddy of Hamiltons and over rode the FEOs recommendation and granted the renewal.

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Liveonce]

If you have ‘land’ you will have good reason..... being a club member will be ‘good reason’. Not my view but i think it will come in....

All ready the case for section 1 is it not?


The days of the police having to prove why someone shouldnt have a SG are numbered ...

And that would stop somebody going nuts, how?

 

[andyk]

My boss said today to a colleague, not knowing I like shooting "what normal person would want or need a gun?"

And there’s lies the reason why shooters are held to such high safety standards. Some/many think the only people who want to shoot are weirdos or animal murderers. That value judgment sees the weighing exercise of risk vs benefit skewed massively towards risk, even a minimal risk is not worth taking where there is no utility.

The obvious comparison is driving. If cars were treated like guns (and let’s face it, if you were objectively concerned for public health, you would want them to be) you would struggle to have anything with high horsepower (much like a .375 for deer, why do you need a 300bhp car to get to work) and there would be outcry every time someone is killed by a driver who was banned but has had their driving license returned (yet lifetime driving bans are almost unheard of).

It was only today that someone crashed into 6 kids at a school. I’d guess she’ll claim she had a momentary lapse of attention and she’ll either be let off or get a short ban.

 

[308tikka]

My boss said today to a colleague, not knowing I like shooting "what normal person would want or need a gun?"

Are gamekeepers, sports shooters, competition shooters, farmers, pest controllers not "normal people"

Smh.

In the eyes of many, no. People who arent engaged in an activity often have no concept, and there will be a lot of virtue signalling by contemptible individuals. There are also many many people whonare not so secret authoritarians-havent the last two years provided enough evidence of what many ‘normal’ people would like to force on others??

‘What normal person wants to climb a steep rockface?... or ‘what normal person wants to collect train numbers as they go by...?’ However, those activities arent a ‘threat’ to ‘normal’ people.

 

[mealiejimmy]

If you have ‘land’ you will have good reason..... being a club member will be ‘good reason’. Not my view but i think it will come in....

The days of the police having to prove why someone shouldnt have a SG are numbered ...

The "suitability" requirement in the Firearms Act applies both the SGC and FAC applications and is the same for both types of certificate - only the "good reason" element is different in practice.
Most of the police effort in handling a grant or renewal application is, quite correctly, focussed on the applicant.
Get that part right and the rest is generally a fairly simple matter.

Cheers

Bruce

 

[308tikka]

These arent my views-Im merely pointing out what I think will happen.
The police wont be blamed for giving his guns back-the system of ‘having’ to issue an SGC or current privacy laws will be blamed, ushering in laws closer to that of S1 or 5 in some cases and ‘consent’ to loss of privacy while being assessed for suitability.

 

[Liveonce]

On a positive note the clay club i am in, are having more people approach them for have ago clay shooting events then at any time in recent memory.

 

[Liveonce]

These arent my views-Im merely pointing out what I think will happen.
The police wont be blamed for giving his guns back-the system of ‘having’ to issue an SGC or current privacy laws will be blamed, ushering in laws closer to that of S1 or 5 in some cases and ‘consent’ to loss of privacy while being assessed for suitability.

That’s why we need a public report/enquiry not locked away for a hundred years.

 

[Morkai]

My boss said today to a colleague, not knowing I like shooting "what normal person would want or need a gun?"

In the eyes of many, no. People who arent engaged in an activity often have no concept, and there will be a lot of virtue signalling by contemptible individuals. There are also many many people whonare not so secret authoritarians-havent the last two years provided enough evidence of what many ‘normal’ people would like to force on others??

‘What normal person wants to climb a steep rockface?... or ‘what normal person wants to collect train numbers as they go by...?’ However, those activities arent a ‘threat’ to ‘normal’ people.

He rides a motorcycle, as do I.

He still gets the typical response from people about them being a death wish etc and why would you want to ride one. He must not be "normal" to want to ride one.

From the people I know, I would say the ones involved in shooting are far more mature, level headed and sensible than the ones who dont.

 

[308tikka]

That’s why we need a public report/enquiry not locked away for a hundred years.

Good luck....

I lived in Scotland in 1996..... the handshake fraternity were instrumental in allowing his vile activity to go on.

with this one.... full media emphasis to convince the masses will be employed. The police are highly unlikely to be held publicly accountable, certainly no sackings, resignations or convictions.

 

[308tikka]

He rides a motorcycle, as do I.

He still gets the typical response from people about them being a death wish etc and why would you want to ride one. He must not be "normal" to want to ride one.

From the people I know, I would say the ones involved in shooting are far more mature, level headed and sensible than the ones who dont.

I agree but simply pointing out that a large proportion of non-firearms owners do not and dont want to comprehend either

 

[bobthedug]

The story of Dunblane was the the FEO dealing with Hamiltons renewal recommended that his certificate be revoked.
The Assistant Chief Constable (now deceased) was a freemason buddy of Hamiltons and over rode the FEOs recommendation and granted the renewal.

Cheers

Bruce

Bruce, you clearly subscribe to the falsehood that Hamilton was a Masonic as was Mcmurdo the DCC of Central Scotland Police and that this connection allowed him to keep his FAC.
This is a falsehood and is simply not true.
I have posted this as other posters have alluded to this also.
It is simply not true

 

[Morkai]

He rides a motorcycle, as do I.

I agree but simply pointing out that a large proportion of non-firearms owners do not and dont want to comprehend either

Indeed.

 

[finnbear270]

The Dunblane incident is on it's own by the fact of the records being sealed.

 

[kes]

It should be obvious to everyone that we dont need additional and unjustified hurdles to shotgun ownership. It is easily within living memory that NO approval by anyone was required - how many were killed from shotguns held then ?

My simple point is we have the controls, all that is needed is efficient and effective operation of the controls that exist.
Chief Constables are more concerned with reducing gun ownership than carrying out their licensing certification processes properly.
I very much regret the loss of innocent lives in Plymouth - the truth is that it could have been prevented - by the proper application of the controls which already exist.
Which is why the CC's have been asked to review their licensing parctices.


Anyone heard anything from CA, BASC et al or is the "keeping your head down" and "not being visible"a strategy - again.