Conviction slot on application/renewal

[Jeff8861]

i dont see it as risking me certificate, and im not hiding anything, same as im not going to un necessary bother or cost to provide information they already have, and either way will check up on,
and im not trying to be clever, its a genuine reason, im 55 now and cant remember all that **** that has or hasnt happened in the last 40 years, times and dates, im not hiding anything, or accidently leaving something out, its enough hassle and cost as it is with out adding more, and if ever there not happy with my responce they can send my application back as not complete, then and only then will i add and extra step to my renewal prosses,

id like to know more about the license holders who have been prosecuted, for what? not filling a form in properly, FFS

Here is what you declare on page 13, its not just a form its a legal declaration.
The information I have provided on this form is true and I understand that it is an offence under section 28A(7) of the Firearms Act 1968 to knowingly or recklessly make a false statement for the purpose of procuring the grant or renewal of a certificate, the maximum penalty for which is six months’ imprisonment and/or a fine. I understand that I will be subject to a check of police records and that my details will be held electronically. I understand that if I do not provide the required information my application cannot be processed and will be refused.

Thats what folks get prosecuted for basically an offence under the fraud act. It's the same as not disclosing medical conditions. I used common sense when dealing with these matters. If it was a grant and one minor offence was missed from 30 years ago it would be words of advice. However if five years later you again didnt disclose some sort of action would need to be taken. If you were grant and you had numerous convictions and if they were serious and recent you run the risk of be prosecuted. If your a renewal and you were in bother in the last five years and you failed to disclose you would be getting an interview re your suitability. Fld are looking for any excuse to reduce the amount of holders. If you fail to disclose especially if you have had words of advice previously you will be a gem for them.
Folk come on here for advice they dont want to hear "well this what i do ive done it for years they done nothing its only form they have my records i pay enough etc etc". They want correct advice.

 

[Tikkat1x]

well, " this is what i do" is advise, its my advise, and you have yours, only im not ramming it down peoples throat, as a be all and end all, and asking the police to refer to there own records as i cant remember in hardly knowingly or recklessly make a false statement for the purpose of procuring the grant or renewal of a certificate, i cant be done for lying or providing a false statement if i dont say anything,

seems like your getting a tad cross because not everyone agrees with you,

 

[mel b3]

Well I know for a certain fact that you can be prosecuted for not disclosing convictions when first applying , because I used to know someone that got prosecuted for it.
He was the landlord of my local . He applied for his sgc , and didn't declare a drink driving conviction from a few years previously. He was arrested by uniformed officers , at around 8pm on a Saturday night , as he was pulling pints, in front of a pub full of customers. I can't remember exactly what happened to him , but they must have taken it pretty seriously to do that.

 

[Rbr1401]

Disclose all convictions been there done that now have a firearms charge on my record for failing to disclose something I had no record of but was on police files. Needless to say say when court date arrived it was thrown out. As I had been as clear as I could. Now have to declare I have firearms offence even after it’s been quashed

 

[Bo Diddley]

Disclose all convictions been there done that now have a firearms charge on my record for failing to disclose something I had no record of but was on police files. Needless to say say when court date arrived it was thrown out. As I had been as clear as I could. Now have to declare I have firearms offence even after it’s been quashed

This, in particular, as well as some of the other situations mentioned, reminded me of Charles Dickens & Mr Bumble...

 

[Jeff8861]

well, " this is what i do" is advise, its my advise, and you have yours, only im not ramming it down peoples throat, as a be all and end all, and asking the police to refer to there own records as i cant remember in hardly knowingly or recklessly make a false statement for the purpose of procuring the grant or renewal of a certificate, i cant be done for lying or providing a false statement if i dont say anything,

seems like your getting a tad cross because not everyone agrees with you,

Im not ramming anything down anyone's throat. Why would I be cross i dont expect everyone to agree. Just offering some help and advice based on working in a fld for three years. Ill let the folk on here decide for themselves who's advice to take. Have a nice day.

 

[Tikkat1x]

Worked in a FLD for 3 years, now you tell us i know whats right and whats wrong, i also know of several stupid differences between different force areas, if they all sang from the same sheet the world would be a better place.

 

[Bo Diddley]

Worked in a FLD for 3 years, now you tell us

You need to study the form a little more, then you would pick up on these little things, amazing what you can learn when you're constantly whiling away your days on SD...

 

[Greenmist]

Disclose all convictions been there done that now have a firearms charge on my record for failing to disclose something I had no record of but was on police files. Needless to say say when court date arrived it was thrown out. As I had been as clear as I could. Now have to declare I have firearms offence even after it’s been quashed

Seems rather petty of them

 

[Tikkat1x]

Seems rather petty of them

its pathetic game playing,

 

[Tikkat1x]

Anyway, the OP has now given up and decided not bother

 

[ContinShots]

what a load of crap, why go to all the bother to find out what they already know, and as in integrity test then if you miss something they can turn round and say you lied, my way cuts that out, and i cant be prosecuted for saying nothing, and i did disclose, i disclosed they should look for them selfs, 1 application and 3 renewals and not a word has ever been said

Have you slept through all of the recent changes? If you don't disclose everything yourself, you're going to hit the buffers. Like it or not, we now have to disclose everything other than parking tickets and only a fold would try to game the system to make a point. Disclose everything that you can remember and if you can't be sure you've remembered everything, state that OK your application. Anyone not doing this only has themselves to blame if they get in hot water or receive a refusal.

 

[Tikkat1x]

Have you slept through all of the recent changes? If you don't disclose everything yourself, you're going to hit the buffers. Like it or not, we now have to disclose everything other than parking tickets and only a fold would try to game the system to make a point. Disclose everything that you can remember and if you can't be sure you've remembered everything, state that OK your application. Anyone not doing this only has themselves to blame if they get in hot water or receive a refusal.

i stand by that statement, if there not happy with my answers they can let me know and i can maybe put it right with there guidance, im not lying or hiding anything by saying to check your own records, nor can i be done for accidently missing something out, maybe the west Yorkshire firearms licensing officers are not A holes,

 

[hogey]

While accepting this is a hypothetical question, an SP30 isn't a conviction.
Accrue as many as you like as they don't need to be declared at all.

Oh yes they do

 

[purdeydog]

Back off the FAC form, last page I think. Any other info. Or just attach a cover letter.

 

[Greenmist]

Back off the FAC form, last page I think. Any other info. Or just attach a cover letter.

With the written application, you can always include a sheet of paper with additional information, not entirely sure if similar can be done with the online form

 

[Rbr1401]

I had a copy of my disclosure as had been doing security work. It wasn’t even on my disclosure with what I had been in trouble with the police. Hence prob as to why it was thrown out when went to court. Be as clear as you can when applying/renewing as some of the feo can be petty. Mine certainly was didn’t seem to want to help you at all.

 

[mickyfinn]

Dont do any of the above unless you want to be prosecuted for failing to disclose. Use the blank page to add extra convictions. Re the date try your best submit an approximate. Or if you have a few from years back submit an access request via the acro procedure. Standard Dbs check doesnt show all convictions so avoid. The convictions section is mainly an integrity test the fld have youre comvictions its upto you to disclose.

I recently did the ACRO Request and didn’t have any of my past convictions only one arrest that was no further action

 

[Jeff8861]

I recently did the ACRO Request and didn’t have any of my past convictions only one arrest that was no further action

This is quite common some forces have their own in house disposal system. These are for very historic minor summary offences which are not required for pnc logging or havent been enterted into the system. However there is a grey area if you have disclosed an offence on previous renewals and the intial grant which doesnt show on the new acro report do you need to disclose it on youre next renewal. Again one of these minor historic offences I would suggest that you do disclose attach acro and submit the question to the fld asking do I need to disclose, i suspect the answer to be yes. I suspect acro only use pnc however forces use pnc and pnd.

 

[Greenmist]

This is quite common some forces have their own in house disposal system. These are for very historic minor summary offences which are not required for pnc logging or havent been enterted into the system. However there is a grey area if you have disclosed an offence on previous renewals and the intial grant which doesnt show on the new acro report do you need to disclose it on youre next renewal. Again one of these minor historic offences I would suggest that you do disclose attach acro and submit the question to the fld asking do I need to disclose, i suspect the answer to be yes. I suspect acro only use pnc however forces use pnc and pnd.

Can I ask what you advise if you get no reply please, twice in my case, for example speeding prior to 2006, with the written form its quite easy to explain that and discuss with the FEO, the online form is more restrictive with the way you answer and is more of a tick box