DMC Level 3

[Tim.243]

That’s as good as asking a lady how many times she’s shared a bed with a fella
Or even a farmer how many head of cattle he has

Using bailing twine for gate hinge's then they will never know...

 

[Tim.243]

No, I don’t have numbers to hand.
But even if I did, the actual figures would be irrelevant. One man's "few" might be another man's "many", and vice versa.
It's all relevant to the ground. I have stalked some places where to take 6 in a season would be a significant achievement, and other places where 6 in a morning might be the norm.
The important bit is that the level of culling suits the deer population management requirements of the ground, rather than the amount of leisure time available to the stalker.
But recreational stalkers are very reticicent about joining forces to achieve more effective culling if they're unable (or unwilling) to do do it all themselves.

When I read this part, it looked like you were including yourself but that does not seem the case.
Recreational stalkers want ground with plenty of deer on it, because if they're only doing a few outings each year they want to be sure of finding something to shoot when they are out. So what's in it for them to reduce numbers?

 

[Brackfen]

DMC3 is basically theft.
Boycott it and it will fail.
Absolutely outrageous.

 

[Chris Richardson]

DMC3 is basically theft.
Boycott it and it will fail.
Absolutely outrageous.

Should’ve done that with level 1 and 2

 

[Dorsettaff]

Interesting comment in the BDS Deerbytes today

 

[Chris Richardson]

Interesting comment in the BDS Deerbytes today

Go on ?

 

[cjm1066]

[td] Clarifying Recent Deer Management Course Announcements​ Following enquiries, the BDS would like to clarify recent reports about a course called the DMC3. A report suggested that this new commercial qualification “brings together learning pathways” from organisations including BASC and the British Deer Society. To avoid confusion, the BDS confirms that neither we nor our partners were consulted on the course content, and we have no involvement in its development or promotion. We also do not endorse claims that it “brings together qualifications and experience from all respected training providers,” though this may imply that materials from other providers have been drawn upon. The BDS continues to deliver the Deer Manager’s Course, a three-day programme that has long been considered the benchmark for advanced deer management training. It remains practical, informative, and fairly priced at £450, reflecting the costs of delivering high-quality, face-to-face advanced training. We'd also like to add that for those who choose training with the BDS, any proceeds after costs go directly into supporting our wider charitable work, helping us continue to promote sustainable and responsible deer management across the UK. In addition, the BDS has collaborated with Deer Management Qualifications (of which BASC is also a member) to develop the Deer Management Certificate, intended for those managing deer populations. Neither of these should be confused with the newly promoted DMC3 course.​ ​ ​

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[/td]

To be charitable its clever marketing, but as their other courses are PDS1 & PDS2 the change of name might reflect ulterior motives.

 

[long_range_rob]

Between the BDS and this lot marketing what some people say is other people content I will spend my money with the BDS or BASC (insert BASC bashing here!)

 

[Chris Richardson]

[td] ​ Clarifying Recent Deer Management Course Announcements​ Following enquiries, the BDS would like to clarify recent reports about a course called the DMC3. A report suggested that this new commercial qualification “brings together learning pathways” from organisations including BASC and the British Deer Society. To avoid confusion, the BDS confirms that neither we nor our partners were consulted on the course content, and we have no involvement in its development or promotion. We also do not endorse claims that it “brings together qualifications and experience from all respected training providers,” though this may imply that materials from other providers have been drawn upon. The BDS continues to deliver the Deer Manager’s Course, a three-day programme that has long been considered the benchmark for advanced deer management training. It remains practical, informative, and fairly priced at £450, reflecting the costs of delivering high-quality, face-to-face advanced training. We'd also like to add that for those who choose training with the BDS, any proceeds after costs go directly into supporting our wider charitable work, helping us continue to promote sustainable and responsible deer management across the UK. In addition, the BDS has collaborated with Deer Management Qualifications (of which BASC is also a member) to develop the Deer Management Certificate, intended for those managing deer populations. Neither of these should be confused with the newly promoted DMC3 course. ​

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[/td]

To be charitable its clever marketing, but as their other courses are PDS1 & PDS2 the change of name might reflect ulterior motives.

They’re all ulterior motives nothing to choose between them

 

[VSS]

They’re all ulterior motives nothing to choose between them

Except that the BDS is a charity, and I would suggest therefore has different motives and is answerable to the Charities Commission.
Some of the others are purely commercial ventures.

 

[8x57]

The BDS is only partly a charity, it also has a commercial trading arm.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Except that the BDS is a charity, and I would suggest therefore has different motives and is answerable to the Charities Commission.
Some of the others are purely commercial ventures.

The point I was making was loads of people swallow the dmq courses while and think they’re amazing yet balk when someone else brings one out , they’re all money making schemes

 

[wytonpjs]

The point I was making was loads of people swallow the dmq courses while and think they’re amazing yet balk when someone else brings one out , they’re all money making schemes

I strongly disagree Chris!

From today's BDS statement on DMC3:

 

[Chris Richardson]

I strongly disagree Chris!

From today's BDS statement on DMC3:

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I struggle to see how your post proves they’re not all money making schemes ? Are you suggesting such courses run at a loss , and why are you so touchy on the subject of courses ?

 

[VSS]

I struggle to see how your post proves they’re not all money making schemes ? Are you suggesting such courses run at a loss ?

I think the point is that the primary aim of the BDS courses is to deliver on their charitable objectives, and to that end it is sufficient that they break even rather than generate profit.
I doubt the same could be said of the new offering from County Deerstalking.

 

[Chris Richardson]

I think the point is that the primary aim of the BDS courses is to deliver on their charitable objectives, and to that end it is sufficient that they break even rather than generate profit.
I doubt the same could be said of the new offering from County Deerstalking.

I very much doubt the likes of basc bds etc are just breaking even you only have to look at the fact that dmq are based at Marford mill to know the answer

 

[VSS]

I very much doubt the likes of basc bds etc are just breaking even

I'm not referring to BASC. They're not a charity.
And I'm not inferring that the BDS overall as an organisation doesn't make a profit. I haven't taken much notice of the annual figures that are circulated to members, to be honest.
What I am saying is that I believe the primary aim of the BDS courses is to deliver on their charitable objectives, so I do not believe that it is a requirement that the courses themselves are run at a profit.
I may be completely wrong, but that is my understanding of it.

 

[Chris Richardson]

I'm not referring to BASC. They're not a charity.
And I'm not inferring that the BDS overall as an organisation doesn't make a profit. I haven't taken much notice of the annual figures that are circulated to members, to be honest.
What I am saying is that I believe the primary aim of the BDS courses is to deliver on their charitable objectives, so I do not believe that it is a requirement that the courses themselves are run at a profit.
I may be completely wrong, but that is my understanding of it.

We’ll have to agree to disagree Tim I’m afraid it’s my honest belief they’re all money making schemes

 

[Deerkeeper2]

I very much doubt the likes of basc bds etc are just breaking even you only have to look at the fact that dmq are based at Marford mill to know the answer

Do you have any idea how any sort of business (or charity) works?

Some areas of the business produce income, some are all costs, it doesn’t matter if you’re a self employed labourer with a shovel or Alan Sugar. The balance is variable depending on your objectives and the nature of your business.

We get it, you hate everyone in the deer industry, I feel for you and hope that have some positives in other areas of your life but please give it a rest on here.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Do you have any idea how any sort of business (or charity) works?

Some areas of the business produce income, some are all costs, it doesn’t matter if you’re a self employed labourer with a shovel or Alan Sugar. The balance is variable depending on your objectives and the nature of your business.

We get it, you hate everyone in the deer industry, I feel for you and hope that have some positives in other areas of your life but please give it a rest on here.

I think you have me wrong sir I don’t hate anyone in the deer industry , why are you getting so bent out of shape ? As I said previously there’s loads on here will swallow anything the dmq tells them whole bit lord forbid anyone bring a new course out ? I’ll never understand the anger on here when someone points out their beloved course is a money making scheme