Do British Tradesmen still have pride in their work?

Plenty of very good British tradesmen
both young and old still about . The thing is we are all booked up for at least 6-12 months in advance with regular customers. The chancers pick up the other work that we cannot do or don’t want 🤠. There’s good trades men and cheap tradesmen but not good and cheap tradesmen
Sounds like you need my updated client form for clients wishing a website, logo or other graphic design service (how often have I heard clients tell me their daughter/son/neice etc. does design, they have a copy of Photoshop).. here it is for you.
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By the way, if your company logo features a thick font followed by a thin font that isn't a logo, its just typography, you've been ripped off and your 'designer' was an idiot.
 
I'm sure I read somewhere that insurance companies are getting very twitchy about insuring houses with "wet rooms" in view of the number of failures and leaks appearing after the work has been done. Was speaking to a plumber and he always suggested a large walk in shower with a good quality sealed base instead if possible. I suppose I've been lucky over the years and managed to find decent tradesmen/women (yep one good plumber I used for my dad's house was a woman and very good she was too. Some of the stories about crap clients always make me wince!
 
Sounds like you need my updated client form for clients wishing a website, logo or other graphic design service (how often have I heard clients tell me their daughter/son/neice etc. does design, they have a copy of Photoshop).. here it is for you.
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By the way, if your company logo features a thick font followed by a thin font that isn't a logo, its just typography, you've been ripped off and your 'designer' was an idiot.
Thanks for the offer but if I had a web site I would just have to turn more work down than I already do 🙄booked up until next summer and plans in pipeline for the autumn/winter 2031!!
I work to live ! not live to work !👍
 
Is it the norm to pay before the jobs are done, ive had loads of work done recently and not paid anything up-front, the latest was having the roof re-lathed and tiled, which meant the guttering also needed replacing. Prior to any money being handed over i inspected the tiling outside and in the loft, checked the guttering fixing, (found a couple of faults) pointed these out and then i paid.

This was made clear when the quote's were given from various roofers, if they werent happy with payment after the job, simple they dont do it.

Frenchie boy, tell them to rectify and do the job properly withing a decent time frame (1 week is enough)or you will contact trading standards. Do not waver from the time laid down, 1 week and thats it, if they have acted like cowboys regarding the rubbish work dont allow them to carry on doing it.
 
We never ask for money up front unless it is for a special order item .
Terms are stage payments or monthly depending on the work and cost of materials. Never taken a deposit for a job yet ! But I do vet all new my customers before I work for them . as I have had my fingers burnt by them before 🤬
 
i looked at a thatch roof yesterday, pulled to bits by jackdaws, poor thatching is the norm round here. the thatcher said its a really good job cant understand the issue, now wants another 6 grand to net it with smaller wire. customer thinks its bad luck and the birds are out for revenge!

the issue i see is that the trade bodies are old boys clubs or you pay to join, not your work has to meet a standard or your out. this country is lacking decent trades in number so the crap can charge a decent amount and get away with it
 
Is it the norm to pay before the jobs are done, ive had loads of work done recently and not paid anything up-front, the latest was having the roof re-lathed and tiled, which meant the guttering also needed replacing. Prior to any money being handed over i inspected the tiling outside and in the loft, checked the guttering fixing, (found a couple of faults) pointed these out and then i paid.
If it's a run of work lasting more than one month I'll get staged payments for wages (usually fortnightly or monthly) and they'll get invoiced only for work completed to date. On the same bill I'll itemise any materials have been delivered to site and get payment for those also. The materials are then their property and if anything happens I'm not out of pocket and they haven't paid for anything they haven't had.
I never ask for money in advance for work that hasn't yet been done or materials that haven't been delivered to site.
 
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I am clearly fortunate to have had some truly excellent tradesmen helping with a building project in West Cornwall recently. I have known most of them for years and the mason, chippies, roofer and electrician have been a pleasure to do business with. I respect their skills and experience and some have become good friends over the years. They are not 'cheap' but very definitely value for money.
 
I find that their craftsmanship is often inversely proportional to their charm. Also, if they're late for the first meeting, I bin 'em there and then. Once you get a good one, treat him like a friend and grow old together.

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I totally agree. When you find one then cherish them.

Mechanics are another bunch that are mostly clueless. I am sure there must be some good ones out there, so if you are one don't take offence.

One so called 'specialist' put the wrong fluid in my transmission and transfer case. Another replaced the radiator and gave it me back with an empty coolant bottle. Luckily i did not get in it and set off up to Scotland. Another fitted an incorrect thermostat which made the vehicle run cold. He only put it right when presented with an email proving he was wrong from Vauxhall technical at Luton. I could go on.
 
OK, First of all I do not claim to be any sort of a tradesman, never have and never will but I always used to believe that British Tradesmen had pride in their work. However my opinion on that is now rapidly changing!
We've just had our bathroom converted into a full wet room, which was finished a week ago.
We started getting problems even before the job was finished!
The second fix electrician came and that very same night we lost all of the electrics in the bathroom. They came and rectified the problem the following day but did not tell me what the problem had been!
The second fix plumbers came and they had to be called back because the toilet bowl had not been fixed in square to the cistern, and then the cistern flushing unit locked up and refused to flush the same night!
A couple of days after the job was finished I noticed that the floor was starting to lift around the shower drain hole. On top of that the wife noticed that there were a couple of floor tiles starting to lift in the kitchen (The kitchen is separated from the bathroom via one thin wall, I'm not sure what it is made of but could be just breeze blocks) and that the carpet near the living room/ kitchen door was starting to show a constant very wet patch.
We called the Site manager yesterday and he came and had a look. He decided that the wet room floor needed to be taken up and a new one refitted. However he could not work out how or why the kitchen floor tiles were starting to lift and the carpet was starting to get wet - Something that has only started to happen since the wet room was fitted!
I have to admit that I could not work it out either until this evening when I decided to opened the inspection hatch behind the shower to see if anything was leaking in there. What I found really shocked me! There is a mains water supply pipe that runs to the shower that has not been fitted straight into one of the copper 15mm elbow and also that the soldering was so badly done that it was leaking and the water running along the floor and somehow under the kitchen floor tiles and into the living room carpet!
Just to add "insult to injury" the mess that is in there behind the inspection hatch is nothing short of disgraceful! - They appear to have stuffed screwed up balls of the polythene that the sink and fittings etc had arrived in into the area behind the inspection hatch, they had used the inspection hatch to throw empty coke cans in, there is a load of lumps of concrete from the old floor that they had to take up to fit the shower thrown in there as well as loads of old pieces of wood from the old bath fittings - some of the lumps of concrete are tangled around a load of tangled electric cables with bare ends (Thankfully the cables are just earth wires).
I will be phoning their head office with a complain and offering them a copy of the photos of the entire mess and will have to see what they say.
As for me if this is "typical british workmanship" then it is no wonder this country is going to rack and ruin!
Have any of you guys had modernisation work done that you feel was not up to standard?
p.s. I will not name the company concerned or show any of the photos of the complete mess until I have spoken to them tomorrow!
You didn't get 30 quotes and accept the cheapest by any chance?
 
Hi
I totally agree. When you find one then cherish them.

Mechanics are another bunch that are mostly clueless. I am sure there must be some good ones out there, so if you are one don't take offence.

One so called 'specialist' put the wrong fluid in my transmission and transfer case. Another replaced the radiator and gave it me back with an empty coolant bottle. Luckily i did not get in it and set off up to Scotland. Another fitted an incorrect thermostat which made the vehicle run cold. He only put it right when presented with an email proving he was wrong from Vauxhall technical at Luton. I could go on.
Unfortunately I have found Mechcanic’s to be a dying breed.
There are however many “Fitters” who look at the computer and throw parts at a problem without taking time to ask why they got the fault code in the first place.
There are again some good ones my late friend was one of them. Advice and knowledge freely shared with a wicked sense of humour. He was never short of work, with many lifelong customers.
 
Unfortunately I have found Mechcanic’s to be a dying breed.
There are however many “Fitters” who look at the computer and throw parts at a problem without taking time to ask why they got the fault code in the first place.
There are again some good ones my late friend was one of them. Advice and knowledge freely shared with a wicked sense of humour. He was never short of work, with many lifelong customers.
Hi Sonic.
You are spot on. I should have put mechanic in inverted commas.

I call it the parts cannon. Wheel it out and start firing new parts at the customer's car. May as well shave a Chimpanzee and give it a socket set.
 
I think in the more built up areas it is perhaps more difficult to get good tradesmen and I sympathise with you Frenchieboy, your situation is not good or fair on you or your wife. These folk should be held to account.

I live in a rural area in the Highlands and have been a self employed joiner for 25 years and a joiner for 40 in total.
I served my time initially in a workshop making doors window and stairs with an old chap from Caithness. The traditional way, pay attention to detail, be polite, tidy and respectful.
I am lucky that I have over the last 25 years built up an excellent client base (some who came from my previous employer) who will ask in advance for work to be done and scheduled in. Occasionally jobs that can't wait are attended to and that usually means working at weekends and nights to help my customers out.
As Carl W said a lot of my customers are good friends built up over years of trust and honesty.

I have months of work ahead of me and my customers fully understand that and are prepared to wait. I work alongside ( when needed) a local builder lad, 3 local plumbers and a couple of good electricians and painters.
If someone in a rural area makes an arse of a job it soon becomes local knowledge as we seem to see by the great influx of sign written vans from the "Inverness" area.
What some of these "Specialists" can't do is not worth knowing about!!

You also get what you pay for, "buy cheap pay dear" when a potential new customer contacts me and says they are doing XYZ and have had prices from the "sign written heroes" A, B & C, I ask, what is your spec for the job? Not a clue is usually the answer. That says it all and then when the water starts leaking, the floor starts lifting the doors start jamming etc they wonder why.
These are the same folk who will happily give a fortune to an architect/ designer to draw things up and then skimp on the folk that actually make things fit. there is a saying that "everything fits on paper". Try getting an answer from an Architect on a bit of "detail" missing on a drawing. not a chance.

The nightmare clients, I've had one or two but not since years, not too much is said about them, there could be a new television series about them.

Wet rooms are notorious for leaking as the majority are provided through social care and contracted out to the "bodge it and scarper specialists" who are in and out like the tide and leave a hidden mess.
The way to solve this is if the Council/ Housing Association/ care provider had a clerk of works, as in a time served tradesman who knows the proper way to do things and if not done right they don't get paid.

I could go on but that will do for now.
 
Had lots of work done by so called certified tradesmen on my rentals over the years. The latest joke is a new builder offering to do some external rendering on a house claiming the electrical trip unit in this house where the lights have started popping off is one usually only used in a garage.
So where did the original installer get to do that one? I have to expect they are all professionals.
 
I struggle to understand why someone in the UK would want a wet room given that for most of the year we live in a cold climate. It doesn't make sense to me. But I also struggle to understand why if someone does want one British tradesmen can't do the job properly when Nigerian tradesmen seem perfectly capable of doing the job properly in Benin City where given it is a hot climate all of the year a wet room does make sense.
 
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