Do you barter your venison?

[stratts]

I was just talking to someone at work who rears her own lamb, pigs, cows and turkeys and we are coming to an arrangement to do a swap; a munty carcass or 2 for some lamb and a turkey crown for xmas.

I will obviously follow the same procedure as though it was for my own consumption, but if you barter your venison do you also tag and record it before giving it away the same as going to a dealer or do you butcher it before swapping? And if you do barter out of interest what sort of deals do you do?

I'm finding that more and more people are bartering stuff, from chutneys, jams and veg off allotments, etc to game these days around here. In her words, which struck a cord, "I can't afford the price of venison on the shelf in the shops and if I could I wouldn't pay for farmed stuff from NZ!!"

Seems the old ways are coming back more and more, I wonder why?!!

Cheers

Stratts

 

[sauer]

An see gent is teaching me the ways of cod fishing fae the shore in winter .... I have bout the best cod shore fishing ground on my door step , he can pull cod oot o a puddle !!!!
So invariably I get cod when I've been unsuccessful & he gets venison burgers & mince , other bits n bobs
He can deal with non. Butchered also but usually it's "processed" my end
I found the bartering arrangement quite refreshing & would do more of it if others had something to barter
Paul

 

[stratts]

Just spoke to the Mrs and I never realised how out of touch with the price of things I am!! £20 - £25 for a turkey crown!!!! Looks like that'll be a good trade for the cost of 1 PPU .308 round!!

 

[Fabnosh]

Hi there

Some years ago I used to swap venison for wild Brown Trout. It used to be on a lb for lb basis. We both thought we had a great deal as neither of us could get the others produce. Good times.

FN

 

[stratts]

That's a good way mate I reckon lb for lb vension would be equal to home reared turkey, lamb, pork, etc, don't you?

 

[private fraser]

It all helps folk get on....and avoid paying tax.
What's not to like

 

[bobt]

I used to supply a few old folk in the village with rabbits and a bit of game, in return I got veg from their allotments.

 

[gubrath]

It all helps folk get on....and avoid paying tax.
What's not to like

"Avoid paying tax". "Evade paying tax" I can see, but "avoid"? How can bartering let you do that?.

 

[private fraser]

Avoid = ok
Evade = not ok

Stratts buys turkey crown...he pays vat
Lady buys venison...she pays vat
They barter...neither pays vat.

 

[NOTSHARP]

Avoid = ok
Evade = not ok

Stratts buys turkey crown...he pays vat
Lady buys venison...she pays vat
They barter...neither pays vat.

I think most food is vat free.




Steve.

 

[gubrath]

I think most food is vat free.




Steve.

Correct. Non-disclosure of income or income received as payment in kind, on the other hand = Evasion = not ok

 

[private fraser]

I think most food is vat free.




Steve.

Luxury food has vat added I think.
Not sure if that applies to venison or turkey crown.
I just like the principle of bartering is all.

 

[SussexFallow]

I swap some venison sausages for cider brewed by the landowner. Makes for a cheap BBQ party !!
Atb steve

 

[bogtrotter]

See a couple of posts from Scots on this thread, and while its probably OK for most English members those that have their large game handling ticket at least , its not so for Scots.

Bartering is treated the same as selling and in Scotland you may only sell to a venison dealer or sell venison you have purchased from a dealer, primary producer and small numbers do not apply in Scotland, exchanging or selling venison without a license or to some one who does not have a license, unless you purchased it from a licensed dealer is illegal end of.

The only exception is venison for your own consumption, giving it away is a grey area and would need a court case to define but is probably illegal.

You could of course purchase venison from a dealer and then barter it, but that is unlikely to be cost effective.

I am not naive and know it goes on ,and you are unlikely to be caught exchanging some venison with friends but its something to keep in mind that posting on open forum of possible law breaking might not be the wisest move.

 

[ChrisWill184]

Bogtrotter, do u have a document or website detailing this? I thought i read something just the other week saying it was perfectly ok to give away to family and friends (or is that just in the fur). Sure it was a guidance document from the government about meat handling and the legislation. Will try and find it.

 

[AlasdairM]

Bogtrotter is correct, i know it's a bit off topic but I have always wondered if this affects stalkers who allow clients to purchase the carcass as effectively they are selling he venison direct to the client without passing through lisenced dealer or is it different because the client has shot the beast?
Edit: way off topic so started this http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co....rcass-to-clients-scotland?p=861576#post861576

 

[norma 308]

Bartering is great and I give venison to my friends and colleagues at work as presents our butcher is also good at bartering he bartered £86 out of a customer for two fallow back straps we supplied him now that's a barter !

 

[VSS]

Yes, Bogtrotter is right.
Barter consists of transfer of goods to another party, and therefore is considered to be a sale, even if no money changes hands. That means that all the same meat hygiene regs etc have to be satisfied, just as if you were selling the product to a customer for cash.

Regarding the non-declaration of income etc, bartered items should go through the books as contra transactions, but of course most people don't bother, hence the non-declaration.

 

[bogtrotter]

Bogtrotter, do u have a document or website detailing this? I thought i read something just the other week saying it was perfectly ok to give away to family and friends (or is that just in the fur). Sure it was a guidance document from the government about meat handling aned the legislation. Will try and find it.

Giving away is a bit of a grey area , should be OK with family , there is not a great deal of info on giving away, and what there is seems to be slightly conflicting.
Have a look on the SNH site and you will get some info on selling

 

[rick6point5]

A fair swap is no robbery in my book, best way to get healthy high quality food or 1st class services from friends & colleagues if you ask me, your skill for my skill has nowt to to with anyone else and i keep it that way.