EU ban on lead ammunition for airguns, shotguns and rifles

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But we now know the long term consequences of smoking and youngsters don’t think cigarettes are cool.
WE...Have known the negative aspects of smoking for the best part of 50 years now, we KNOW for an absolute fact that it causes cancer, and a multitude of pulmonary diseases ect.
Thats why cigarettes were banned decades ago.....Oh wait, they werent were they ?
Maybe a phased transition to vapes over the next 5 years ? Err..no...

But lead shot and bullets , THEY are the real problem arent they ? 😀

Get real.
 
You keep casually linking (by correlation; no more, if I understand you correctly) lead and leukaemia; yet you have zero evidence of a link between lead-shot game and said (or indeed any other) condition. Or have I misunderstood?
Have a read of the Scientific papers that I have pasted links and the papers referenced within and draw your own conclusions.
 
As I say interesting, because I am sure lead is actually in the ground water where deposits occur. This will be ingested by folk in that area through drinking water and of course into stock which we eat and wildlife which drink from streams springing from the lead sub strata and the fish stocks in some of the rivers. Having had lead water pipes for the majority of my life and also spring water through the taps, I'm knocking 80 without real signs of dementia🤫

Lead is generally deposited as the mineral Galena. Which is lead II sulphide, PbS. Which is vanishingly soluble in pH neutral water, A saturated solution would contain 2.6×10^−11 kg/kg (calculated, at pH=7) at 20C. This is 26 parts per billion. Sure, if the groundwater is acidic, more will dissolve, but I would not expect it to be at 20c, nor to be a saturated solution, so no, I don't think that it is a concern for most.

What is a concern is lead dissolved from elemental lead in household plumbing, installed prior to the banning of lead from plumbing solder or as an alloying ingredient in brass fittings. In 1987. Which is in a large part of our housing stock.

Domestic mains water is treated to minimise this, but those using e.g. their own boreholes etc. do not benefit from such treatment, so may be using water that has a strong ability to dissolve this lead from inside their domestic plumbing.

Worth studying, if you are minded: https://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/chemicals/lead.pdf

Some snippets:

Lead is present in tap water to some extent as a result of its dissolution from natural sources, but primarily from household plumbing systems in which the pipes, solder, fittings or service connections to homes contain lead. Polyvinyl chloride (PVC) pipes also contain lead compounds that can be leached from them and result in high lead concentrations in drinking-water. The amount of lead dissolved from the plumbing system depends on several factors, including the presence of chloride and dissolved oxygen, pH, temperature, water softness and standing time of the water, soft, acidic water being the most plumbosolvent (11,12). Although lead can be leached from lead piping indefinitely, it appears that the leaching of lead from soldered joints and brass taps decreases with time (10). Soldered connections in recently built homes fitted with copper piping can release enough lead (210–390 µg/l) to cause intoxication in children (13). The level of lead in drinking-water may be reduced by corrosion control measures such as the addition of lime and the adjustment of the pH in the distribution system from <7 to 8–9 (14,15). Lead can also be released from flaking lead carbonate deposits on lead pipe and from iron sediment from old galvanized plumbing that has accumulated lead from lead sources such as plumbing and service connections, even when the water is no longer plumbosolvent.

In the United Kingdom in 1975– 1976, there was virtually no lead in the drinking-water in two thirds of households, but levels were above 50 µg/l in 10% of homes in England and 33% in Scotland (2). In Glasgow (Scotland), where the water was known to be plumbosolvent, the lead concentration in about 40% of the samples exceeded 100 µg/l (19)

100 µg/l is 10 parts per million. Or 10,000 parts per billion. Rather more than my finger waving estimate of, say, 26 ppb from groundwater percolating through Galena rich rocks. Might account for the intelligence that I have recently observed from some notable Glaswegians who were born or grew up before that was, mostly, addressed.

Soils and household dust are significant sources of lead exposure for small children
(6,26,27), but the levels are highly variable, ranging from <5 µg/g to tens of
milligrams per gram in contaminated areas. As lead is immobile, levels in
contaminated soil will remain essentially unchanged unless action is taken to
decontaminate them (28). The highest lead concentrations usually occur in surface
soil at depths of 1–5 cm.
In a 2-year study in England during 1984 and 1985, the geometric mean
concentrations of lead in road dust collected in the vicinity of two London schools and
in a rural area were 1552–1881 and 83–144 µg/g, respectively. For household dusts in
London and in a rural area of Suffolk for 3 consecutive years (1983–1985), the
geometric mean concentrations were 857 and 333 µg/g, respectively (8). Household
dust concentrations were 332 µg/g in an Edinburgh study (29) and 424 µg/g in one in
Birmingham (30).
The amount of soil ingested by children aged 1–3 years is about 40–55 mg/day
(27,31,32). A comprehensive study of a group of 2-year-old urban children indicated
an intake of lead from dust of 42 µg/day, almost twice the dietary lead intake (30).
Studies in inner-city areas in the USA have shown that peeling paint or dust
originating from leaded paint during removal may contribute significantly to
children’s exposure to lead (33).

More than 80% of the daily intake of lead is derived from the ingestion of food, dirt
and dust. At 5 µg/l, the average daily intake of lead from water forms a relatively
small proportion of the total daily intake for children and adults, but a significant one
for bottle-fed infants. Such estimates have a wide margin of error, as it is not known
to what extent the general public flushes the system before using tap water; in
addition, the stagnation time (and hence the lead levels) is highly variable (10). The
contribution of ingested dust and dirt to the total intake is known to vary with age,
peaking around 2 years (32).

Adults absorb approximately 10% of the lead contained in food (6), but young
children absorb 4–5 times as much (34,35); the gastrointestinal absorption of lead
from ingested soil and dust by children has been estimated to be close to 30% (26).
Absorption is increased when the dietary intakes of iron or calcium and phosphorus
are low (36–38). Iron status is particularly important, as children from disadvantaged
homes are more likely to suffer from anaemia, further increasing their absorption of
lead (39).

Following its absorption, lead appears both in a soft tissue pool, consisting of the blood, liver, lungs, spleen, kidneys and bone marrow, which is rapidly turned over, and in a more slowly turned over skeletal pool. The half-life of lead in blood and soft tissues is about 36–40 days for adults (42), so that blood lead concentrations reflect only the intake of the previous 3–5 weeks. In the skeletal pool, the half-life of lead is approximately 17–27 years (42,43). In adults, some 80–95% of the total body burden of lead is found in the skeleton, as compared with about 73% in children (44,45). The biological half-life of lead may be considerably longer in children than in adults (46). Under conditions of extended chronic exposure, a steady-state distribution of lead between various organs and systems usually exists.

Inorganic lead is not metabolized in the body. Unabsorbed dietary lead is eliminated
in the faeces, and lead that is absorbed but not retained is excreted unchanged via the
kidneys or through the biliary tract (53). Metabolic balance studies in infants and
young children indicated that, at intakes greater than 5 µg/kg of body weight per day,
net retention of lead averaged 32% of intake, whereas retention was negative (i.e.
excretion exceeded intake) at intakes less than 4 µg/kg body weight per day (35). No
increases in blood lead were observed in infants with low exposure to other sources of
lead and mean dietary intakes of 3–4 µg/kg of body weight per day (54), thus
confirming the metabolic data.

Research on young primates has demonstrated that exposure to lead results in
significant behavioural and cognitive deficits, such as impairment of activity,
attention, adaptability, learning ability and memory, as well as increased
distractibility. Such effects have been observed following postnatal exposure of
monkeys to lead for 29 weeks in amounts resulting in blood lead levels ranging from
10.9 to 33 µg/dl (55). These effects persisted into young adulthood, even after levels
in the blood had returned to 11–13 µg/dl, and were maintained for the following 8–9
years (56). Studies on small groups of monkeys dosed continuously from birth
onwards with 50 or 100 µg/kg of body weight per day showed that there were still
significant deficits in both short-term memory and spatial learning at 7–8 years of age

Lead is a cumulative general poison, with infants, children up to 6 years of age, the
fetus and pregnant women being the most susceptible to adverse health effects. Its
effects on the central nervous system can be particularly serious.

Overt signs of acute intoxication, including dullness, restlessness, irritability, poor
attention span, headaches, muscle tremor, abdominal cramps, kidney damage,
hallucinations, loss of memory and encephalopathy, occur at blood lead levels of 100–
120 µg/dl in adults and 80–100 µg/dl in children. Signs of chronic lead toxicity,
including tiredness, sleeplessness, irritability, headaches, joint pain and
gastrointestinal symptoms, may appear in adults at blood lead levels of 50–80 µg/dl.
After 1–2 years of exposure, muscle weakness, gastrointestinal symptoms, lower
scores on psychometric tests, disturbances in mood and symptoms of peripheral
neuropathy were observed in occupationally exposed populations at blood lead levels
of 40–60 µg/dl (6).
Renal disease has long been associated with lead poisoning; however, chronic
nephropathy in adults and children has not been detected below blood lead levels of
40 µg/dl (64,65). Damage to the kidneys includes acute proximal tubular dysfunction
and is characterized by the appearance of prominent inclusion bodies of a lead–
protein complex in the proximal tubular epithelial cells at blood lead concentrations of
40–80 µg/dl (66).
There are indications of increased hypertension at blood lead levels greater than 37
µg/dl (67). A significant association has been established, without evidence of a
threshold, between blood lead levels in the range 7–34 µg/dl and high diastolic blood
pressure in people aged 21–55, based on data from the second United States National
Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES II) (68,69). The significance of
these results has been questioned (70).
Lead interferes with the activity of several of the major enzymes involved in the
biosynthesis of haem (6). The only clinically well-defined symptom associated with
the inhibition of haem biosynthesis is anaemia (40), which occurs only at blood lead
levels in excess of 40 µg/dl in children and 50 µg/dl in adults (71). Lead-induced
anaemia is the result of two separate processes: the inhibition of haem synthesis and
an acceleration of erythrocyte destruction (40). Enzymes involved in the synthesis of
haem include d-aminolaevulinate synthetase (whose activity is indirectly induced by
feedback inhibition, resulting in accumulation of d-aminolaevulinate, a neurotoxin)
and d-aminolaevulinic acid dehydratase (d-ALAD), coproporphyrinogen oxidase and
ferrochelatase, all of whose activities are inhibited (6,40). The activity of d-ALAD is
a good predictor of exposure at both environmental and industrial levels, and
inhibition of its activity in children has been noted at a blood lead level as low as 5
µg/dl (72); however, no adverse health effects are associated with its inhibition at this
level.
Inhibition of ferrochelatase by lead results in an accumulation of erythrocyte
protoporphyrin (EP), which indicates mitochondrial injury (47). No-observedadverse-effect levels (NOAELs) for increases in EP levels in infants and children
exist at about 15–17 µg/dl (73–75). In adults, the NOAEL for increases in EP levels
ranged from 25 to 30 µg/dl (76); for females alone, the NOAEL ranged from 20 to 25
µg/dl, which is closer to that observed for children (74,77,78). Changes in growth
patterns in infants younger than 42 months of age have been associated with increased
levels of EP; persistent increases in levels led initially to a rapid gain in weight, but
subsequently to a retardation of growth (79). An analysis of the NHANES II data
showed a highly significant negative correlation between the stature of children aged
7 years and younger and blood lead levels in the range 5–35 µg/dl (80).
Lead has also been shown to interfere with calcium metabolism, both directly and by
interfering with the haem-mediated generation of the vitamin D precursor 1,25-
dihydroxycholecalciferol. A significant decrease in the level of circulating 1,25-
dihydroxycholecalciferol has been demonstrated in children whose blood lead levels
were in the range 12–120 µg/dl, with no evidence of a threshold (81,82). Tissue lead
content is increased in calcium-deficient persons, a fact that assumes great importance
in the light of the increased sensitivity to lead exposure that could result from the
calcium-deficient status of pregnant women. It has also been demonstrated that
interactions between calcium and lead were responsible for a significant portion of the
variance in the scores on general intelligence ratings and that calcium influenced the
deleterious effect of lead (83). The regulatory enzyme brain protein, kinase C, is
stimulated in vitro by picomole per litre lead concentrations (an effect similar to that
produced by micromole per litre calcium concentrations), levels that could be
expected from environmental exposure (84).
Several lines of evidence demonstrate that both the central and peripheral nervous
systems are the principal targets for lead toxicity. The effects include
subencephalopathic neurological and behavioural effects in adults, and there is also
electrophysiological evidence of effects on the nervous system of children at blood
lead levels well below 30 µg/dl. Aberrant electroencephalograph readings were
significantly correlated with blood levels down to 15 µg/dl (85,86). Significant
reductions in maximal motor nerve conduction velocity (MNCV) have been observed
in children aged 5–9 years living near a smelter, with a threshold occurring at a blood
lead level around 20 µg/dl; a 2% decrease in the MNCV was seen for every 10 µg/dl
increase in the blood lead level (87). The auditory nerve may be a target for lead
toxicity, in view of reports of reduced hearing acuity in children (88). In the
NHANES II survey in the USA, the association with blood lead was highly significant
at all levels from 5 to 45 µg/dl for children 4–19 years old, with a 10–20% increased
likelihood of an elevated hearing threshold for persons with a blood lead level of 20
µg/dl as compared with 4 µg/dl (89). The NHANES II data also showed that blood
lead levels were significantly associated with the age at which infants first sat up,
walked and started to speak. Although no threshold existed for the age at which the
child first walked, thresholds existed at the 29th and 28th percentile of lead rank for
the age at which the child sat up and spoke, respectively (89)

Gonadal dysfunction in men, including depressed sperm counts, has been associated with blood lead levels of 40–50 µg/dl (90–93). Reproductive dysfunction may also occur in females occupationally exposed to lead (6,61).

Elevated cord blood lead levels were associated with minor malformations, such as angiomas, syndactylism and hydrocele, in about 10% of all babies. The relative risk of malformation doubled at blood lead levels of about 7–10 µg/dl, and the incidence of any defect increased with increasing cord lead levels over the range 0.7–35.1 µg/dl

Lead is exceptional in that most lead in drinking-water arises from plumbing in buildings, and the remedy consists principally of removing plumbing and fittings containing it, which requires both time and money. In the interim, all practical measures to reduce total exposure to lead, including corrosion control, should be implemented. It is extremely difficult to achieve a concentration below 10 µg/l by central conditioning, such as phosphate dosing.

It needs to be recognized that lead is exceptional, in that most lead in drinking-water arises from plumbing in buildings, and the remedy consists principally of removing plumbing and fittings containing lead, which requires much time and money. It is therefore emphasized that all other practical measures to reduce total exposure to lead, including corrosion control, should be implemented.

I shall compose another report, more pertinent to lead in ammunition (shot and bullets) in a little while.

Now, those of us of a certain age, had no option but to grow up ingesting the stuff. But that does not have to be the case, going forward.
 
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Lead is generally deposited as the mineral Galena. Which is lead II sulphide, PbS. Which is vanishingly soluble in pH neutral water, A saturated solution would contain 2.6×10^−11 kg/kg (calculated, at pH=7) at 20C. This is 26 parts per billion. Sure, if the groundwater is acidic, more will dissolve, but I would not expect it to be at 20c, nor to be a saturated solution, so no, I don't think that it is a concern for most.

What is a concern is lead dissolved from elemental lead in household plumbing, installed prior to the banning of lead from plumbing solder or as an alloying ingredient in brass fittings. In 1987. Which is in a large part of our housing stock.

Domestic mains water is treated to minimise this, but those using e.g. their own boreholes etc. do not benefit from such treatment, so may be using water that has a strong ability to dissolve this lead from inside their domestic plumbing.

Worth studying, if you are minded: https://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/chemicals/lead.pdf

Some snippets:

Lead is present in tap water to some extent as a result of its dissolution from natural sources, but primarily from household plumbing systems in which the pipes, solder, fittings or service connections to homes contain lead. Polyvinyl chloride (PVC) pipes also contain lead compounds that can be leached from them and result in high lead concentrations in drinking-water. The amount of lead dissolved from the plumbing system depends on several factors, including the presence of chloride and dissolved oxygen, pH, temperature, water softness and standing time of the water, soft, acidic water being the most plumbosolvent (11,12). Although lead can be leached from lead piping indefinitely, it appears that the leaching of lead from soldered joints and brass taps decreases with time (10). Soldered connections in recently built homes fitted with copper piping can release enough lead (210–390 µg/l) to cause intoxication in children (13). The level of lead in drinking-water may be reduced by corrosion control measures such as the addition of lime and the adjustment of the pH in the distribution system from <7 to 8–9 (14,15). Lead can also be released from flaking lead carbonate deposits on lead pipe and from iron sediment from old galvanized plumbing that has accumulated lead from lead sources such as plumbing and service connections, even when the water is no longer plumbosolvent.

In the United Kingdom in 1975– 1976, there was virtually no lead in the drinking-water in two thirds of households, but levels were above 50 µg/l in 10% of homes in England and 33% in Scotland (2). In Glasgow (Scotland), where the water was known to be plumbosolvent, the lead concentration in about 40% of the samples exceeded 100 µg/l (19)

Soils and household dust are significant sources of lead exposure for small children
(6,26,27), but the levels are highly variable, ranging from <5 µg/g to tens of
milligrams per gram in contaminated areas. As lead is immobile, levels in
contaminated soil will remain essentially unchanged unless action is taken to
decontaminate them (28). The highest lead concentrations usually occur in surface
soil at depths of 1–5 cm.
In a 2-year study in England during 1984 and 1985, the geometric mean
concentrations of lead in road dust collected in the vicinity of two London schools and
in a rural area were 1552–1881 and 83–144 µg/g, respectively. For household dusts in
London and in a rural area of Suffolk for 3 consecutive years (1983–1985), the
geometric mean concentrations were 857 and 333 µg/g, respectively (8). Household
dust concentrations were 332 µg/g in an Edinburgh study (29) and 424 µg/g in one in
Birmingham (30).
The amount of soil ingested by children aged 1–3 years is about 40–55 mg/day
(27,31,32). A comprehensive study of a group of 2-year-old urban children indicated
an intake of lead from dust of 42 µg/day, almost twice the dietary lead intake (30).
Studies in inner-city areas in the USA have shown that peeling paint or dust
originating from leaded paint during removal may contribute significantly to
children’s exposure to lead (33).

More than 80% of the daily intake of lead is derived from the ingestion of food, dirt
and dust. At 5 µg/l, the average daily intake of lead from water forms a relatively
small proportion of the total daily intake for children and adults, but a significant one
for bottle-fed infants. Such estimates have a wide margin of error, as it is not known
to what extent the general public flushes the system before using tap water; in
addition, the stagnation time (and hence the lead levels) is highly variable (10). The
contribution of ingested dust and dirt to the total intake is known to vary with age,
peaking around 2 years (32).

Adults absorb approximately 10% of the lead contained in food (6), but young
children absorb 4–5 times as much (34,35); the gastrointestinal absorption of lead
from ingested soil and dust by children has been estimated to be close to 30% (26).
Absorption is increased when the dietary intakes of iron or calcium and phosphorus
are low (36–38). Iron status is particularly important, as children from disadvantaged
homes are more likely to suffer from anaemia, further increasing their absorption of
lead (39).

Following its absorption, lead appears both in a soft tissue pool, consisting of the blood, liver, lungs, spleen, kidneys and bone marrow, which is rapidly turned over, and in a more slowly turned over skeletal pool. The half-life of lead in blood and soft tissues is about 36–40 days for adults (42), so that blood lead concentrations reflect only the intake of the previous 3–5 weeks. In the skeletal pool, the half-life of lead is approximately 17–27 years (42,43). In adults, some 80–95% of the total body burden of lead is found in the skeleton, as compared with about 73% in children (44,45). The biological half-life of lead may be considerably longer in children than in adults (46). Under conditions of extended chronic exposure, a steady-state distribution of lead between various organs and systems usually exists.

Inorganic lead is not metabolized in the body. Unabsorbed dietary lead is eliminated
in the faeces, and lead that is absorbed but not retained is excreted unchanged via the
kidneys or through the biliary tract (53). Metabolic balance studies in infants and
young children indicated that, at intakes greater than 5 µg/kg of body weight per day,
net retention of lead averaged 32% of intake, whereas retention was negative (i.e.
excretion exceeded intake) at intakes less than 4 µg/kg body weight per day (35). No
increases in blood lead were observed in infants with low exposure to other sources of
lead and mean dietary intakes of 3–4 µg/kg of body weight per day (54), thus
confirming the metabolic data.

Research on young primates has demonstrated that exposure to lead results in
significant behavioural and cognitive deficits, such as impairment of activity,
attention, adaptability, learning ability and memory, as well as increased
distractibility. Such effects have been observed following postnatal exposure of
monkeys to lead for 29 weeks in amounts resulting in blood lead levels ranging from
10.9 to 33 µg/dl (55). These effects persisted into young adulthood, even after levels
in the blood had returned to 11–13 µg/dl, and were maintained for the following 8–9
years (56). Studies on small groups of monkeys dosed continuously from birth
onwards with 50 or 100 µg/kg of body weight per day showed that there were still
significant deficits in both short-term memory and spatial learning at 7–8 years of age

Lead is a cumulative general poison, with infants, children up to 6 years of age, the
fetus and pregnant women being the most susceptible to adverse health effects. Its
effects on the central nervous system can be particularly serious.

Overt signs of acute intoxication, including dullness, restlessness, irritability, poor
attention span, headaches, muscle tremor, abdominal cramps, kidney damage,
hallucinations, loss of memory and encephalopathy, occur at blood lead levels of 100–
120 µg/dl in adults and 80–100 µg/dl in children. Signs of chronic lead toxicity,
including tiredness, sleeplessness, irritability, headaches, joint pain and
gastrointestinal symptoms, may appear in adults at blood lead levels of 50–80 µg/dl.
After 1–2 years of exposure, muscle weakness, gastrointestinal symptoms, lower
scores on psychometric tests, disturbances in mood and symptoms of peripheral
neuropathy were observed in occupationally exposed populations at blood lead levels
of 40–60 µg/dl (6).
Renal disease has long been associated with lead poisoning; however, chronic
nephropathy in adults and children has not been detected below blood lead levels of
40 µg/dl (64,65). Damage to the kidneys includes acute proximal tubular dysfunction
and is characterized by the appearance of prominent inclusion bodies of a lead–
protein complex in the proximal tubular epithelial cells at blood lead concentrations of
40–80 µg/dl (66).
There are indications of increased hypertension at blood lead levels greater than 37
µg/dl (67). A significant association has been established, without evidence of a
threshold, between blood lead levels in the range 7–34 µg/dl and high diastolic blood
pressure in people aged 21–55, based on data from the second United States National
Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES II) (68,69). The significance of
these results has been questioned (70).
Lead interferes with the activity of several of the major enzymes involved in the
biosynthesis of haem (6). The only clinically well-defined symptom associated with
the inhibition of haem biosynthesis is anaemia (40), which occurs only at blood lead
levels in excess of 40 µg/dl in children and 50 µg/dl in adults (71). Lead-induced
anaemia is the result of two separate processes: the inhibition of haem synthesis and
an acceleration of erythrocyte destruction (40). Enzymes involved in the synthesis of
haem include d-aminolaevulinate synthetase (whose activity is indirectly induced by
feedback inhibition, resulting in accumulation of d-aminolaevulinate, a neurotoxin)
and d-aminolaevulinic acid dehydratase (d-ALAD), coproporphyrinogen oxidase and
ferrochelatase, all of whose activities are inhibited (6,40). The activity of d-ALAD is
a good predictor of exposure at both environmental and industrial levels, and
inhibition of its activity in children has been noted at a blood lead level as low as 5
µg/dl (72); however, no adverse health effects are associated with its inhibition at this
level.
Inhibition of ferrochelatase by lead results in an accumulation of erythrocyte
protoporphyrin (EP), which indicates mitochondrial injury (47). No-observedadverse-effect levels (NOAELs) for increases in EP levels in infants and children
exist at about 15–17 µg/dl (73–75). In adults, the NOAEL for increases in EP levels
ranged from 25 to 30 µg/dl (76); for females alone, the NOAEL ranged from 20 to 25
µg/dl, which is closer to that observed for children (74,77,78). Changes in growth
patterns in infants younger than 42 months of age have been associated with increased
levels of EP; persistent increases in levels led initially to a rapid gain in weight, but
subsequently to a retardation of growth (79). An analysis of the NHANES II data
showed a highly significant negative correlation between the stature of children aged
7 years and younger and blood lead levels in the range 5–35 µg/dl (80).
Lead has also been shown to interfere with calcium metabolism, both directly and by
interfering with the haem-mediated generation of the vitamin D precursor 1,25-
dihydroxycholecalciferol. A significant decrease in the level of circulating 1,25-
dihydroxycholecalciferol has been demonstrated in children whose blood lead levels
were in the range 12–120 µg/dl, with no evidence of a threshold (81,82). Tissue lead
content is increased in calcium-deficient persons, a fact that assumes great importance
in the light of the increased sensitivity to lead exposure that could result from the
calcium-deficient status of pregnant women. It has also been demonstrated that
interactions between calcium and lead were responsible for a significant portion of the
variance in the scores on general intelligence ratings and that calcium influenced the
deleterious effect of lead (83). The regulatory enzyme brain protein, kinase C, is
stimulated in vitro by picomole per litre lead concentrations (an effect similar to that
produced by micromole per litre calcium concentrations), levels that could be
expected from environmental exposure (84).
Several lines of evidence demonstrate that both the central and peripheral nervous
systems are the principal targets for lead toxicity. The effects include
subencephalopathic neurological and behavioural effects in adults, and there is also
electrophysiological evidence of effects on the nervous system of children at blood
lead levels well below 30 µg/dl. Aberrant electroencephalograph readings were
significantly correlated with blood levels down to 15 µg/dl (85,86). Significant
reductions in maximal motor nerve conduction velocity (MNCV) have been observed
in children aged 5–9 years living near a smelter, with a threshold occurring at a blood
lead level around 20 µg/dl; a 2% decrease in the MNCV was seen for every 10 µg/dl
increase in the blood lead level (87). The auditory nerve may be a target for lead
toxicity, in view of reports of reduced hearing acuity in children (88). In the
NHANES II survey in the USA, the association with blood lead was highly significant
at all levels from 5 to 45 µg/dl for children 4–19 years old, with a 10–20% increased
likelihood of an elevated hearing threshold for persons with a blood lead level of 20
µg/dl as compared with 4 µg/dl (89). The NHANES II data also showed that blood
lead levels were significantly associated with the age at which infants first sat up,
walked and started to speak. Although no threshold existed for the age at which the
child first walked, thresholds existed at the 29th and 28th percentile of lead rank for
the age at which the child sat up and spoke, respectively (89)

Gonadal dysfunction in men, including depressed sperm counts, has been associated with blood lead levels of 40–50 µg/dl (90–93). Reproductive dysfunction may also occur in females occupationally exposed to lead (6,61).

Elevated cord blood lead levels were associated with minor malformations, such as angiomas, syndactylism and hydrocele, in about 10% of all babies. The relative risk of malformation doubled at blood lead levels of about 7–10 µg/dl, and the incidence of any defect increased with increasing cord lead levels over the range 0.7–35.1 µg/dl

Lead is exceptional in that most lead in drinking-water arises from plumbing in buildings, and the remedy consists principally of removing plumbing and fittings containing it, which requires both time and money. In the interim, all practical measures to reduce total exposure to lead, including corrosion control, should be implemented. It is extremely difficult to achieve a concentration below 10 µg/l by central conditioning, such as phosphate dosing.

It needs to be recognized that lead is exceptional, in that most lead in drinking-water arises from plumbing in buildings, and the remedy consists principally of removing plumbing and fittings containing lead, which requires much time and money. It is therefore emphasized that all other practical measures to reduce total exposure to lead, including corrosion control, should be implemented.

I shall compose another report, more pertinent to lead in ammunition (shot and bullets) in a little while.

Now, those of us of a certain age, had no option but to grow up ingesting the stuff. But that does not have to be the case, going forward.
Wow, how myself and cohorts are still on the planet is fcuking amazing, we must be made of stronger stuff😳. Do you think that as I am becoming heavier the older I get that it has anything to do with lead ingestion.🤔. Now gimme the facts on shot and bullets.🧐
 
I trust you to tell me. Have we evidence that lead-shot game causes leukaemia?
If you could be bothered to read the papers I suggest you will see

1) Plenty of evidence that ingesting lead results in an increase in lead compounds in body tissues including blood and bone. This is across many species. Indeed if you read the paper @Sharpie just posted there is plenty of evidence there. Note the bits on cognitive impairment.

2) and patients with leukaemia have a higher than normal level of lead and other heavy metals, and that a higher level of metals is significant risk factor or a biomarker for leukaemia.

No there have not been direct studies of feeding people with lead contaminated game meat and then seeing if they develop cancer - perhaps you might volunteer?
 
Have we evidence that lead-shot game causes leukaemia?

No

I suspect the EU and BASC are indulging in a bit of scientific 'slight of hand' linking what is known about lead poisoning (for which there is solid evidence) with a bit of conjecture on what might happen if people occasionally ingest game meat that has been shot with a round containing lead

In my opinion it is a big leap with rifle shot venison - perhaps not such a big one with game birds brought down with lead shot

The evidence is not there - however the desire to restrict shooting is

Like all political bodies bent on social change - they have a long suit in media manipulation and a short suit in everything else
 
Wow, how myself and cohorts are still on the planet is fcuking amazing, we must be made of stronger stuff😳. Do you think that as I am becoming heavier the older I get that it has anything to do with lead ingestion.🤔. Now gimme the facts on shot and bullets.🧐

Give me some time. There are no facts.

But BASC bounced us into this, as regards shotgun ammo. One year on into the five year plan I see no significant progress worth mentioning. Other than that some UK manufacturers are pushing some "bio" plaswads. Invented by a small Spanish company some years ago.

As the UK manufacturers stated at the time, two days after the announcement:

On 28th February,Rodrigo Crespo of Eley Hawk, Paul James of Gamebore, David Bontoft of Hull Cartridge and Roger Hurley of Lyalvale Express expressed their reaction to the news with this:

"We, the UK’s leading shotgun cartridge manufacturers, hereby address the announcement made by BASC and other organisations on Monday 24th February, stating their “wish to see an end to both lead and single-use plastics in ammunition used by those taking all live quarry with shotguns within five years”.

Firstly, BASC and their fellow organisations had NO consultation with the UK cartridge manufacturers prior to the announcement being made. The UK manufacturers have now discussed the matter collectively. We believe the organisations have looked at a limited amount of products and assumed that these are a viable answer to the issue at hand. Unfortunately, this is not the case.

This is a major concern to us for a number of reasons, reasons we would have explained to the organisations prior to the publication of their announcement, had we been given the opportunity to do so.

Europe is currently experiencing a steel shot shortage. A move from lead to steel shot for the majority of UK’s shotgun ammunition will inevitably put more pressure on the market for raw material. This would create further shortages in the short term and push up the price as the steel shot industry invests to increase capacity.

The examples of overseas markets successfully transitioned to steel shot such as Denmark and the USA water-fowling sector, should not be used as proof of a solution. This is because the steel loads used in these markets in any significant volume are loaded with plastic wads. In addition to this, the US and Danish regulations allow steel cartridges to be loaded to a much higher level of performance than here in the UK, to increase the lethality of the pellet.

Limitations to performance levels of steel ammunition currently allowed in the UK mean that we are already facing tougher challenges when developing an effective steel load compared to those used overseas. Couple this with the move away from plastic wads and we are even further limited on performance. We would like to see an increase in the performance levels allowed before we can begin to develop loads effective enough to produce clean, humane kills in the various types of shooting carried out in the UK.

There are indeed a handful of non-lead ammunition options with biodegradable wads currently on the market, however, at this stage it is simply impossible to make these commercially viable. We cannot make a complete switch over to these products within a five year period without substantial investment into the industry. BASC and its fellow organisations do not have an understanding of the manufacturing processes involved and are therefore in no position to determine the length of time required to evolve.


Fuddy-duddies, set in their ways, absolutely.

Is progress happening, I do hope so. But not seen much signs of it so far.

Now here was a bit of a rant, by Conor O Gorman, a little while ago:


Read it all yourselves, but I shall selectively quote:

The EU regulations were published a month after Brexit which means they will not take effect in England, Wales or Scotland.

However, there is a risk that Northern Ireland will be forced to adopt the new laws because under the terms of the Brexit deal NI must continue to implement new EU regulations on chemicals and this includes lead. Given how wet the climate is in NI the broad definition of wetland would result in a lead shot ban across most of the country.

BASC is working with FACE to stop this happening and we have highlighted the issue with the NI Environment Minister.


So, that's all good is it not. Hurrah for Brexit. In your dreams. Where the EU leads, so must we follow. Along with our ammunition manufacturers, dim slow and averse to change though they appear to be. Token gestures not good enough.
 
If you could be bothered to read the papers I suggest you will see

No there have not been direct studies of feeding people with lead contaminated game meat and then seeing if they develop cancer - perhaps you might volunteer?
Perhaps this is a crucial part of the gathering of evidence that is missing.
A couple of simple questions would help narrow the issue down.

Do you shoot and / or eat any game that is shot using lead ammunition?
To your knowledge have you had any contact with the following; lead paint on toys, lead paint on structures, mining and processing of any ores, been involved in the smelting of lead, been involved in roofing where lead flashing was used, been involved in the petrochemical industry prior to the 1980s, live in an area that is known for high lead content in the ground?

This would help clear up some of the ambiguities around where the lead problem lies.

This is akin to the recent statements that Diesel engine are to blame for a lot of the air pollution.
I run my Disco 2 diesel on recycled cooking oil which burns cleaner than some petrol cars that I’ve seen. Also, in order to help the simpletons try and understand the economy of a vehicle, a standard was set that is so far removed from what normal use is that it bears no resemblance to what the vehicle is actually doing day to day.

The point being unless you are specific with questions, you will never get to the true picture/issue.
 
Two things spring to mind in this thread, the first is that those seeking to ban lead are not pursuing this on environmental grounds, they really couldn’t give a toss, restricting hunting is the aim and the lead ban is a convenient hammer to help bang another nail in.

The second thing is balance. We’ve had quite a lengthy parliamentary enquiry and it was deemed that a lead ban couldn’t be justified. People spout about contamination but in the context of other land uses I’m pretty sure lead shot is way down the list. How many millions of litres of toxic cow slurry is spread daily? I don’t know of any deaths arising from eating game shot with lead. Allegedly wildfowl are dying in their 10’s of thousands but I’ve never come across it or has any shooting acquaintances, somebody pmd me to say they knew of 400 pheasant poults that died from ingesting lead shot confusing it with rape seed but I have no idea if it is true. Look at how many birds are lost to pet cats every year.

The environmental gains from a lead ban would be insignificant but the effect on our hunting community would be profound.

Once again in this society something else will be banned to satisfy a very vocal minority. What next cigars? Alcohol? Shagg1ng?
 
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Roestalker39 and Gerard, you both know we are shafted whatever and no organisation can or will stand up to legislation. This has been going on for fifty years and will continue. A waste of time picking at one another, accept the inevitable sell out and enjoy whilst you can. It's a Foregone conclusiotn within the next twenty years,end of.
It sad to say but the way thing are going in the world of shooting and stalking I am glad I will not be around. but the way it is going it will be less than twenty years. And that does make my blood boil and why ALL the shooting organisations need to get houses in order.
 
I was talking to a couple of metal detectorists the other day who detect on my parents ground. They occassionally find the odd Civil War musket ball but never find or even get a signal from lead shot. And I for one have fired 1000's of shotgun cartridges over that ground over the last 45 years.
Whats all that about then? 🤔
 
If you could be bothered to read the papers I suggest you will see

1) Plenty of evidence that ingesting lead results in an increase in lead compounds in body tissues including blood and bone. This is across many species. Indeed if you read the paper @Sharpie just posted there is plenty of evidence there. Note the bits on cognitive impairment.

2) and patients with leukaemia have a higher than normal level of lead and other heavy metals, and that a higher level of metals is significant risk factor or a biomarker for leukaemia.

No there have not been direct studies of feeding people with lead contaminated game meat and then seeing if they develop cancer - perhaps you might volunteer?
That's a no, then. No evidence whatsoever that eating lead-shot game causes leukaemia. Yet, in your occasional breaks from whining about Brexit, you continue repeatedly and disingenuously to peddle the link.

I have read Sharpie's synopsis. I found it both interesting and informative.
 
Perhaps this is a crucial part of the gathering of evidence that is missing.
A couple of simple questions would help narrow the issue down.

Do you shoot and / or eat any game that is shot using lead ammunition?
To your knowledge have you had any contact with the following; lead paint on toys, lead paint on structures, mining and processing of any ores, been involved in the smelting of lead, been involved in roofing where lead flashing was used, been involved in the petrochemical industry prior to the 1980s, live in an area that is known for high lead content in the ground?

This would help clear up some of the ambiguities around where the lead problem lies.

This is akin to the recent statements that Diesel engine are to blame for a lot of the air pollution.
I run my Disco 2 diesel on recycled cooking oil which burns cleaner than some petrol cars that I’ve seen. Also, in order to help the simpletons try and understand the economy of a vehicle, a standard was set that is so far removed from what normal use is that it bears no resemblance to what the vehicle is actually doing day to day.

The point being unless you are specific with questions, you will never get to the true picture/issue.
The crucial point of the studies I refer to is that the samples were drawn from the general public rather than individuals specifically exposed to heavy metals in the course of work etc.

And yes you are correct there does need to be research on shooters and lead exposure,

But lead used in bullets and shot is no different to lead used in roofs, solder, pipework etc. Lead compounds are more toxic as they are more easily absorbed, but there is plenty of evidence that lead is harmful if ingested.

Why would ingesting lead fragments from a rifle bullet, or lead shot be any different to taking in lead from other sources?
 
Why would ingesting lead fragments from a rifle bullet, or lead shot be any different to taking in lead from other sources?
The point I’m trying to get over is not that there is any difference in the way lead is ingested.
What I’d like to find out is, say out of a sample of 5000, what portion have ingested lead possibly from lead shot/bullets?
is it 0.1%, 1%, 10% or is it 0%?
 
Just ask BASC - they must have all the details and confirmed scientific studies because they have asked us to give up lead. If however, they have asked us to give up lead shot without specific evidence that it causes actual recorded harm to both wildlife and us, they should perhaps implode.
I'm hoping I can hear the implosion here in South Wales - finally.
The word Shysters appeared in my peripheral vision whilst writing this.
 
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Just ask BASC - they must have all the details and confirmed scientific studies because they have asked us to give up lead. If however, they have asked us to give up lead shot without specific evidence that it causes actual recorded harm to both wildlife and us, they should perhaps implode.
I'm hoping I can hear the implosion here in South Wales - finally.
The word Shysters appeared in my peripheral vision whilst writing this.

You might detect the dead hand of Jon Swift (booted out, sorry, retired, from BASC) still operating behind the scenes with his LAG thing.

Still at it AFAIK.

Evidence provided during consideration of the Environment Bill 2020.


Curiously most of the initial members have made their excuses and left.
 
However is not the fundamental problem it matters not what the science tells us or does not.

If the buyer of the game, will only take game shot with non toxic shot then, that’s it plain and simple.
Then without a market for the game the large “commercial” shoots are history.

Hence why we are where we are, because the shooting organisations especially one with a financial investment in game meet need the commercial shoots to continue by using non toxic shot.

The rest of us are just collateral damage.
 
However is not the fundamental problem it matters not what the science tells us or does not.

If the buyer of the game, will only take game shot with non toxic shot then, that’s it plain and simple.
Then without a market for the game the large “commercial” shoots are history.

Hence why we are where we are, because the shooting organisations especially one with a financial investment in game meet need the commercial shoots to continue by using non toxic shot.

The rest of us are just collateral damage.
I would have thought that the large commercial shoots are most resillient and easily able to use non-lead ammo given their clientele. What are they paying now? £35 a bird? If they can afford that why can't they afford to pay for a non-lead alternative to shoot it with?
 
The man from Waitrose explained it, clearly and succinctly. Last year.

Froth at the mouth, let your blood boil until your eyes pop out, give up your guns (nose, face, spite, cut-off), or get with the programme.



Also take a look at the tgs channel on youtube. Google "tgs steel youtube" will land you there. Nicely done, and the chap seems credible and has been trying the stuff for ages, in all sorts of guns. Now it seems a total convert. I was impressed in one of his vids, where he explained that just one (none bio) plastic wad contains the same mass of plastic as about two bin bags. Yet some shooters (and ammo manufacturers) don't have a problem with continuing to spray this sh.t all over the place, never to be recovered.

Change must happen. Sooner rather than later.

As for lead in rifle bullets, I am on the fence here, but inexorably it will be banned eventually. And I shall not regret it's passing. So, you younger shooters, just start off that way and look forward, not back. Even wrinklies like me who still have an open mind, not befuddled by whatever, do the same, please.

Resistance is Futile (to quote the Borg)
 
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