FAC APPLICATION HELP?

[MCC1508]

Hi All,

I am about to start applying for my FAC and wanted a bit of help/advice on the ammunition section of the application.

I am applying for rifles in .308 .303 and .22 - what types of ammunition should I be applying for? I intend on using all 3 for both hunting and target shooting.

Also 12 gauge for clay, pheasant and practical shotgun.

Any help or general FAC guidance would be greatly appreciated!

 

[VSS]

I don't think that you have to specify the type of ammunition anymore, only the quantity required for each calibre.

 

[Dalua]

I'm not sure a shotgun that's S1 because of magazine capacity would be usable for pheasant-shooting.

 

[Rewulf]

There are . technically , no more 'types' as far as bullets go anymore, so just quantities need to be specified.

If you are going for FAC shotgun for practical or specific pest or game , then specify if you require solid slug ammo.
Dont go mad on quantities 500-1000 is reasonable for .22lr , but unless youre going to be doing a lot of target shooting , more like 200 a piece for the centre fires.

 

[Rewulf]

I'm not sure a shotgun that's S1 because of magazine capacity would be usable for pheasant-shooting.

No real reason why it couldnt , depends on the rules of the shoot.
Most clay grounds allow them too , as long as you only load 2 carts.

 

[VSS]

I'm not sure a shotgun that's S1 because of magazine capacity would be usable for pheasant-shooting.

Pheasant shooting undoubtedly wouldn't be considered "good reason" for the initial justification of a sec.1 shotgun, but it would be perfectly useable for the purpose thereafter.

 

[MCC1508]

Thanks guys.

I am applying for section 1 shotgun for practical shooting, and over and under for clay/pheasant. Presumably the over and under would still be on my section 1 ticket or would i have to make a seperate SGC application?

 

[MCC1508]

Also re ammo, so for my .308 say I need soft tips and ballistic tips I just tell them an aggregate number of numbers e.g. 1,000?

Any recommendations as to quantities i should apply for? I am thinking id like to buy in bulk to reduce costs

 

[Dalua]

Pheasant shooting undoubtedly wouldn't be considered "good reason" for the initial justification of a sec.1 shotgun, but it would be perfectly useable for the purpose thereafter.

Is there not a limit in law on magazine-size for shooting game/wildfowl? 2+1, I thought?

I think the OP will be better off applying for FAC and SGC, if he's wanting a S2 shotgun also?

 

[bullet chucker]

Quantities of center fire ammunition should be specified to maximum to be held, And amount to be purchased to not exceed that amount.
Shot certificate for, over and under.
Firearms certificate for Practical shot gun and ammunition if slug.
Coterminous Certificates would save you cash and time.

BC.

 

[MCC1508]

Quantities of center fire ammunition should be specified to maximum to be held, And amount to be purchased to not exceed that amount.
Shot certificate for, over and under.
Firearms certificate for Practical shot gun and ammunition if slug.
Coterminous Certificates would save you cash and time.

BC.

Thanks BC. Any advice on what is a reasonable quantity to apply for?

 

[VSS]

Is there not a limit in law on magazine-size for shooting game/wildfowl? 2+1, I thought?

I'm not entirely sure, to be honest, now that you've said that. But I do know of a few people who use sec.1 shotguns for wildfowling, so I guess it's OK? Maybe it's just a snobbery thing that makes them unacceptable for game shooting?

 

[Dalua]

I'm not entirely sure, to be honest, now that you've said that. But I do know of a few people who use sec.1 shotguns for wildfowling, so I guess it's OK? Maybe it's just a snobbery thing that makes them unacceptable for game shooting?

Pump and self-loading are AFAIK fine in law for game and wildfowl as long as they don't exceed 2+1 capacity.
What one's pals on the shoot would think is, as you suggest, another matter...

 

[Stalker62]

I am thinking id like to buy in bulk to reduce costs.

This is not an acceptable reason for any ammunition.

 

[bullet chucker]

Thanks BC. Any advice on what is a reasonable quantity to apply for?

What amount of target shooting do you intend to do and with what gun of your arsenal? How many outings will you be out on for deer/fox. Your cash out lay will be quite a considerable amount to start with on a bulk buy, and you have to have a big enough locked box or compartment to safely store it all.
I hold about 360 rounds for the center fire.And 1000 for .22 This was acceptable to the application and for my needs at the time.
Your practical competition requirements are your choice?

BC.

 

[andyk]

You’ll be expected to justify the ammo holding you ask for, so to an extent it is down to your circumstances. Also, and as with all things firearms, there is a fair amount of variation between FEOs.

As a rough guide you’ll get between 100-300 for centrefires and 500-1000 for rimfire but there will be plenty of exceptions either way. If you’re target shooting then you can get to the higher ends as your justification is that you will go through a lot in one go. If it’s just hunting you’ll be a bit lower.

Don’t even mention economies of scale as a justification for more. As @Stalker1962 says, this is explicitly said to not be a good reason in the HO guidance.

For your FAC shotgun, you’ll need to say you intend to live quarry shoot otherwise you’ll just be conditioned for target only. You’ll also need to apply for slugs as otherwise you won’t be able to get any. Given the types of quarry shooting, I’d suggest you keep you good reason as practical shotgun but ask for the extra condition as an addition. What you describe sounds marginal as good reason in relation to quarry only. Do as others say and check the law, I have a feeling they are correct that game and wildfowl have a magazine limit but I have a feeling that can be achieved with a removable limiter. So you could still use the gun but it would give no advantage over a s2 shotgun. If I were you, I’d stick to a s2 in those situations as it avoids all the conditions that apply to firearms.

You’ll need a SGC for a “normal” (s2) shotgun. I’m not aware that it’s possible to have them on a FAC and it wouldn’t be worth it anyway as you get entangled with good reason, conditions etc which do not apply to the SGC.

 

[Sampo]

For .308, might be worth asking for .308/ 7.62 in case you fancy getting some 7.62 rounds for target shooting.

 

[25 Sharps]

Hi All,

I am about to start applying for my FAC and wanted a bit of help/advice on the ammunition section of the application.

I am applying for rifles in .308 .303 and .22 - what types of ammunition should I be applying for? I intend on using all 3 for both hunting and target shooting.

Also 12 gauge for clay, pheasant and practical shotgun.

Any help or general FAC guidance would be greatly appreciated!

Are you a full member of a target shooting club that shoots disciplines suitable for .308, .303 and .22?

Do you have formal access to land to shoot quarry with the above rifles ?

As said you cannot use a section 1 for pheasants legally and no shoot will really allow you to use a semi or pump for pheasants.

 

[25 Sharps]

I'm not entirely sure, to be honest, now that you've said that. But I do know of a few people who use sec.1 shotguns for wildfowling, so I guess it's OK? Maybe it's just a snobbery thing that makes them unacceptable for game shooting?

A section 1 can be used for wildfowling only if the birds in question are being shot as pests under a general licence. If wildfouling in the true sense a section 1 isn’t allowed, some people stick a bit of wood in the mag to reduce the capacity to 2+1 but I can’t see that standing I court.

 

[Rewulf]

As said you cannot use a section 1 for pheasants legally

Ive looked , but can see nothing specifically 'illegal' with taking pheasants with a sec 1 shotgun ?

and no shoot will really allow you to use a semi or pump for pheasants.

Again , thats down to the shoot , Ive seen plenty of game shooters using semis ?