FAC APPLICATION HELP?

[BenBhoy]

I am thinking id like to buy in bulk to reduce costs

Don't put that on your application

 

[Utectok]

I’m not meaning to be negative but the op probably wants to learn a little and start smaller. Find out what kind of shooting he’s into and build his gun cab around it. Mostly people start with say a rimfire and a centerfire on the FAC and a shotgun on a sgc. Get 500 rounds rimfire and 200 cf ammo. Then go shoot some stuff find out what your into…. borrow some kit try a few disciplines and so forth.
Thing is shooting is a pretty massive area to explore and it’s pretty hard to do it all. Mostly people get in to sub genre and don’t do it all…. like clay shooting, stalking, long range stuff, PSG or whatever.
I stalk, game-shoot, Wildfowl, recreational clay shoot and reload…. And fly fish….. that’s quite enough for me and I’m semi retired….
Anyway just a thought

 

[25 Sharps]

Says who?

Not my FEO. How much does the person use in a year? Perfectly acceptable to buy components of say 1000, then make a single batch, after testing of course.

That’s components, not ammunition

 

[25 Sharps]

Are you a full member of a target shooting club that shoots disciplines suitable for .308, .303 and .22?

Do you have formal access to land to shoot quarry with the above rifles ?

As said you cannot use a section 1 for pheasants legally and no shoot will really allow you to use a semi or pump for pheasants.

@MCC1508 ?

 

[Stalker62]

Says who?

HMG.

1. 4.8 The bulk purchase of ammunition for the purpose of economy is not acceptable as good reason for possession. Possession of 250 rounds for deer stalking, and possession of 750 rounds for vermin control should generally be regarded as reasonable (but see paragraph 4.7 and Chapter 13).

 

[Lever357]

Quarry species and shooting seasons

Find out everything you need to know about what you can legally shoot and when.

basc.org.uk

Includes this :

All wild birds

It is illegal to use:

• Any automatic or semi-automatic weapon against any bird except the Bird Pest Species listed on the general licences (see note below)

So you can not use any semi auto on pheasant.

Playing devils advocate, are we classing reared pheasants as "wild"???

It is all irrelevant anyway as the OP has stated he only requires a S1 shotgun for PSG. For this it is my understanding, he will have to be a member of a home office approved club and possibly also have attended and passed a UKPSA course.

In answer to another question asked by the OP, yes you will need to apply for a FAC for the firearms and S1 shotgun AND a SGC for the S2 shotgun.

Ammunition wise, put down more than what you would actually like to allow them to reduce. 1000 for 22LR should be fine and 400 for 308 and 400 for 303.

 

[ashray]

mcc1508, have you ever held/used a shotgun or rifle ,do you know the price of cartridges or firearm ammunition,can you afford to buy 1000 center fire rounds at one time.you come across to me as of wanting lots of tools to use but dont really have a clue.do you have any firearms training etc,i think you are trying to run before you can walk.!!

 

[JTO]

I had 1200 to hold and 1000 to buy in 308 so that I could buy enough cases of the same batch for reloading. I am now limited to holding 300, but have a lot of cases.
1200 to hold and 1000 to buy is fairly common for .22 rimfire, I would think.
Just say you want a long magazine shotgun for pigeon control. I wouldn't mention combat shotgun AKA practical shotgun.

 

[308tikka]

Section 13.54 of The Home Office Guide on Firearms Licensing Law states that for ammunition (as opposed to components) "Economy of purchase (‘bulk buying’) is not considered satisfactory as “good reason”.

Cheers

Bruce

Well I guess thats pre-statutory ‘guidance’ then!

I have always asked for an amount it makes it feasible to make in one go for standardisation of components and accuracy.
Currently allowed 3000 308win for example. This would be quite a low number for my annual shooting volume. Normally double. Has been a lot higher.

 

[308tikka]

HMG.

1. 4.8 The bulk purchase of ammunition for the purpose of economy is not acceptable as good reason for possession. Possession of 250 rounds for deer stalking, and possession of 750 rounds for vermin control should generally be regarded as reasonable (but see paragraph 4.7 and Chapter 13).

And there are other reasons for having significantly more, with good reason.

I do. Perhaps the OP doesnt, at this time.... fair enough. In conversations with FEOs it was clear my volume of shooting meant my large allocation was quite reasonable and could also be stored extremely securely.

 

[Stalker62]

I am thinking id like to buy in bulk to reduce costs

This is what the OP wrote - this was the point in question.

My response was specifically in response to this issue. Bulk buying to save costs is not acceptable as a good reason.

And there are other reasons for having significantly more, with good reason.

I do. Perhaps the OP doesnt, at this time.... fair enough. In conversations with FEOs it was clear my volume of shooting meant my large allocation was quite reasonable and could also be stored extremely securely.

 

[25 Sharps]

Playing devils advocate, are we classing reared pheasants as "wild"???

It is all irrelevant anyway as the OP has stated he only requires a S1 shotgun for PSG. For this it is my understanding, he will have to be a member of a home office approved club and possibly also have attended and passed a UKPSA course.

In answer to another question asked by the OP, yes you will need to apply for a FAC for the firearms and S1 shotgun AND a SGC for the S2 shotgun.

Ammunition wise, put down more than what you would actually like to allow them to reduce. 1000 for 22LR should be fine and 400 for 308 and 400 for 303.

Yes, reared pheasants are classed as wild, braises there are wild pheasants out there and there would be no real way of telling if a bird is wild or recently released.

Put down what you actually need and justify, putting down more than you want is nonsense and will make you seem like a mad prepper.

If you are a member of a target club and shoot regularly then a decent amount can usually be possessed anyway.

 

[25 Sharps]

I had 1200 to hold and 1000 to buy in 308 so that I could buy enough cases of the same batch for reloading. I am now limited to holding 300, but have a lot of cases.
1200 to hold and 1000 to buy is fairly common for .22 rimfire, I would think.
Just say you want a long magazine shotgun for pigeon control. I wouldn't mention combat shotgun AKA practical shotgun.

Limits to buy went out with the dinosaurs. I also don’t understand why you couldn’t just by empty cases for reloading of the same batch!

 

[25 Sharps]

mcc1508, have you ever held/used a shotgun or rifle ,do you know the price of cartridges or firearm ammunition,can you afford to buy 1000 center fire rounds at one time.you come across to me as of wanting lots of tools to use but dont really have a clue.do you have any firearms training etc,i think you are trying to run before you can walk.!!

Strange that mcc1508 is avoiding answering whether they have access to land or are a member if a HO approved club!!

 

[Eddie P]

Economy in bulk isn't acceptable,
Components aren't restricted.
If you put sensible quantities down in line with the HO guidance you'll be fine.
For target shooting you generally need to be a member of a HO club.

 

[badmolassesaccident]

Economy of purchase is not a reason to have a high ammo allowance.

Being able to buy a large amount of a single batch of factory ammo, so that you have consistently in your ammo, is a reason.

 

[mealiejimmy]

Economy of purchase is not a reason to have a high ammo allowance.

Being able to buy a large amount of a single batch of factory ammo, so that you have consistently in your ammo, is a reason.

I don't think your FEO will see the subtle difference in that statement
For them it's a numbers game.
Buying for economy and buying for consistency comes down to the same thing for them - how many are you buying.

Cheers

Bruce

 

[badmolassesaccident]

^ It’s reasonable if you target shoot. Infact target shooters will actually want a consistent single batch, not just because ‘need more ammo for zombie apocalypse’

Probably wouldn’t work on first application, but I used that reason to get more ammo.

 

[25 Sharps]

I don't think your FEO will see the subtle difference in that statement
For them it's a numbers game.
Buying for economy and buying for consistency comes down to the same thing for them - how many are you buying.

Cheers

Bruce

No, consistency, particularly if you are a target shooter, is a valid reason

 

[Erik Hamburger]

I'm not sure a shotgun that's S1 because of magazine capacity would be usable for pheasant-shooting.

Surely it would be very useable! The more shots you have 'up your sleeve' the better. Neither is it illegal to use a S1 shotgun for Game shooting, to the best of my knowledge. However in my experience (this is another story...) it is not appreciated by your fellow sporting guns. And that is an understatement.