firearms incident

[widows son]

Dear All,

Yes it is very sad indeed.

Of course we are on top of this as much as we can be.

Our regional teams in the North and Midlands are giving live interviews to local media today; our national media team are dealing with the national press and media.

Until the reports come out from the police investigation it will be wrong to draw any hypothetical conclusions.

We will be calling for calm and no knee jerk reaction
what are you on about what type of reaction, calling for calm Please explain I'm now baffled by this statement .
Regards

David

Can you please tell us David why is the BASC organisation are getting involved with murder investigations .

Do you really think the other shooters out their want to be perjured by statements given by the BASC to the fact not all shooters want to shoot people ,leave this to the physiologists and the police to sort and get back on track hunting ,shooting and deer stalking and forwarding the sport .

Making statements to the press will do nothing for the sane shooters of this country we'll all end up with the stigma of this let well alone, the press will take what you say and twist it into something well out of context there good at that .

 

[David63]

The police look after murder investigations not BASC obviously so I can’t understand why you are suggesting otherwise.

We are handling the media and of course the political reaction to this that’s what I am referring to and nothing else.

David

 

[widows son]

The police look after murder investigations not BASC obviously so I can’t understand why you are suggesting otherwise.

We are handling the media and of course the political reaction to this that’s what I am referring to and nothing else.

David

Thank you David

 

[csl]

Making statements to the press will do nothing for the sane shooters of this country well all end up with the stigma of this let well alone, the press will take what you say and twist it into something well out of context there good at that .

Bob, pretty much every such incident is treated the same way by the press. Get statements from pro-shooters, get statements from anti-shooters, give it a bit of spin as per the leanings of the journalist and out the story goes. There isn't much that can be done about the spin other than the fact that recourse can be sought if a statement is seriously misrepresented. There can be no recourse if a statement wasn't given and the story misrepresents shooters. They will say "XXX declined to comment" - so tough luck.

The press will approach BASC and similar organisations for a statement.... if they refuse they will either go elsewhere (to someone who might end up putting their foot in their mouth) or they won't bother and the pro-shooter side will be completely unrepresented.

Personally I would prefer BASC or a similarly 'media-aware' entity to be representing shooters (even if it is trotting out the same old mantras) than someone who is inexperienced and ripe to be exploited (or indeed to be completely unrepresented at all).

Alex

 

[JVR.243]

What is evident throughout is the medias lack of knowledge or misunderstanding of current firearms licencing laws. I have, however, just watched a commendable interview on the BBC news of a guy called Roger Gray, a former firearms adviser to the Metropolitan Police Force who managed(just about) to take the reporter back to basics.

 

[Geordie_3]

Also, the fact is that there is actually nowhere else to go in terms of further restrictions.

Oh I hope your right, but I fear that there's a hell of a lot more that can be done to the shooting community.

 

[jon2]

Oh I hope your right, but I fear that there's a hell of a lot more that can be done to the shooting community.

Yes but according to the BBC they have just stated that the government have released a statement saying there will be no changes to existing gun laws as a result of this incident.

As I say there is nowhere else to go apart from banning all firearms which will also never happen.

 

[jon2]

Yes but according to the BBC they have just stated that the government have released a statement saying there will be no changes to existing gun laws as a result of this incident.

As I say there is nowhere else to go apart from banning all firearms which will also never happen.

I would also say that they couldn't afford to have another inquiry on the back of the Cumbrian one which was only concluded at the end of last summer.

 

[Paul at Fechan]

I suspect that this incident might not end up in more that a ticking the box execise but the media has been reporting on 'depression' as a cause that triggered this incident which might stir things a bit. I now that that currently the subject of depression is aleady a heavy one in terms of firearms licensing.

 

[Labrat]

I suspect that this incident might not end up in more that a ticking the box execise but the media has been reporting on 'depression' as a cause that triggered this incident which might stir things a bit. I now that that currently the subject of depression is aleady a heavy one in terms of firearms licensing.

I think we risk going down the road where any mention of mental health problems and your FAC gets pulled, which I think is just going to result in people bottling up problems and not getting help - just what we don't need

 

[David63]

Dear All,

Here is a list of the main media activity we have undertaken today and a couple planned for tomorrow with the name of the BASC staff member who gave the interview.

BBC Radio Newcastle - Mike Eveleigh

BBC Radio York - Phil Pugh

BBC Radio Leicester - Steve Bloomfield (phone-in)

ITV Tyne Tees - Phil Pugh - pre-recorded interview

BBC Radio Four's World at One - Simon Clarke – live -http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b018wy4n#synopsis - Simon’s interview is 14 minutes in.

BBC Radio Cymru - Meurig Rees

Capital Radio North East - Simon Clarke

BBC Coventry and Warwickshire - Steve Bloomfield

Metro Radio - Simon Clarke

Sun FM (Sunderland) Simon Clarke

BBC Radio Newcastle - Mike Eveleigh

BBC Radio Five Live – Mike Eveleigh – 4.10pm

S4C – Meurig Rees


04/01/12

BBC Three Counties Radio - Mike Eveleigh

BBC Radio Lancashire - Phil Pugh

BASC’s statement was sent to the Press Association newswire and this has been used by media outlets including the BBC, the Daily Mail and the Huffington Post. We have briefed Sky News and spoken to the shooting press.

Regards


David

 

[Scots_stalker]

from what ive heard this guy had threatened to kill himself a few years ago , why wasnt his ticket revoked when this came to light ?

 

[jon2]

I believe his firearms were FAC air.

 

[Scots_stalker]

I believe his firearms were FAC air.[/QUOTE

ive not heard this

 

[Si]

Just listened to the interview with Mike Everleigh on Radio 5 live, mostly highlighting the current licensing process, tighter medical checks and the possibility of contacting ex-partners

Why do radio presenters always come across as anti's?

 

[Labrat]

from what ive heard this guy had threatened to kill himself a few years ago , why wasnt his ticket revoked when this came to light ?

I would hope that it was investigated at the time, and that either it was a malicious claim, or not found to be an actual risk, based on coversation with doctor - I refer you to my previous point about the stigmatisation of mental health issues!

 

[private fraser]

The BBC gave another opportunity to a self serving opportunist in the Jeremy Vine show today (yes,I should know better than to listen to such tosh).

Graham Taylor, who is said to be a "best selling author and ex policeman", said that "this was a golden opportunity to tighten up on firearms law".
I can only assume that Mr. Taylor has been too busy writing to notice that there has been a Home Office Affairs Committee report on firearms and that the government has read it and responded to it .
What's the betting that Mr. Taylor has a book in the offing and is looking to further his writing career (of which I can find nothing on the web) by getting publicity at any cost.

J. Vine is the worst sort of BBC "reporter" I have ever come across, partisan,populist and innacurate. I can't see how his show can pass any of the BBC's charter aims to "educate,entertain and inform".

fraser

 

[matt_hooks]

Lab, the police are saying he had his FAC "temporarily suspended" due to a previous bout of depression. After appeals from his wife and doctor the FAC was reinstated.

Make of that what you will.

I'm waiting for the press to call for the doctor to be held to account. The government already have a sensible line on this "no-one can tell when a switch will flick".

 

[neil_r]

Well done BBC the story on the 6 o'clock news was done in front of a graphic of a handgun

 

[1873gus]

Well done BBC the story on the 6 o'clock news was done in front of a graphic of a handgun

Yes and they then proceed to quote total figures for Firearm certificates in England & Wales although it was a shotgun that was used and then quote a figure of 40 deaths involving legally held ' firearms ' over a specific time period ( can't recall what it was ) without telling how many of those 40 were actually suicides and not murders although the impression given from that will no doubt be to most that the 40 deaths were murders.