hiring a trained deer
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I very much doubt you would find or be able to get one, to be honest.
imless of course you thinking of starting a supplying for the purpose.
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Deer tracking by dog is IMHO a team effort by dog and handler. I cannot see any deer dog handler renting out a trained dog to a third party. The dog is too precious to be entrusted to a stranger. At best you could hire the services of the tracking team, and for that you get the dog and handler.
reloader54
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agreed, IMO I cant see any deer dog handler worth his salt willing to trust his best asset with a complete stranger, why not just enlist the services of one of the well established teams that assist in finding a lost deer.
personally I wouldn't let just anyone hold the lead with my dogs on the other end, that's not to say you or anyone else is unsuitable, it's just how I am.
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The story is I have 2 dogs. I know how valuable these dogs are. I have a scenario where someone I know needs a dog and I can manage with one dog but cant spare time. So its better to have two teams with one dog each. The dog in question is easy to handle and the guy has a lot of experience. The question still remains how much is it worth
Wolverine
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Good luck in your quest.
I know all UKSHA dogs and handlers are a team.
You can’t work a trained dog without knowing the dog and the way it works.
This is a team......not just a trained dog.
The handler is as important if not more so than the dog.
This is the issue with certain people having done “tests”
The handler needs to know more than the dog,again,this is the issue in some organisations that believe the dog is all important.
Its the handler who needs training firstly before the dog.
I have seen some hilarious videos this last week of dogs and handlers with zero idea of what to do whilst using some of our training methods.
These training methods are used for completely different purposes than to what is being used for by others-the whole point is that when people with no clue attempt and train people saying they know a subject the result is then obvious to people who really know what they are doing with certain training excercises.
This is also very dangerous in some circumstances.
People will learn the hard way.
A dog should always be capable of the job asked of it.
The handler more so.......
What does the other guy 'need' the dog for? To find deer that he is likely to wound/lose? To be a companion in the field? To use to alert him to the presence of deer? If it is all three - he may as well buy a pup and have the pleasure of training it.
I go back to something I said a little while ago - I am still prepared to be shot down for it - If he 'needs' it purely to find wounded/lost deer, it should not be a regular requirement for the guy and he may need to re-zero his rifle..
Wolverine
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Not always better having two teams where the dog doesn’t or won’t work to the same ability as with you.
in fact,pointless sometimes.
As for a monetary value on said dog being hired out......what qualifications/tests/experience has the dog got?
Also think about if the dog gets injured on a track,personally,I would expect the owner to pay for the injuries,not the handler.
Also,if dog gets shot or killed on track what happens then?
If the guy isbthat experinced why has he not got a dog himself?
Really,this is just an issue awaiting more problems.
It will end in tears.
in fact,pointless sometimes.
As for a monetary value on said dog being hired out......what qualifications/tests/experience has the dog got?
Also think about if the dog gets injured on a track,personally,I would expect the owner to pay for the injuries,not the handler.
Also,if dog gets shot or killed on track what happens then?
If the guy isbthat experinced why has he not got a dog himself?
Really,this is just an issue awaiting more problems.
It will end in tears.
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Both persons are full time controllers. Dog 7 years of age trained from a pup to do the full range of duties. Guy needing a dog has ended up without one due to unforeseen circumstances. He has a pup but obvs wont be ready to work for some months. Both persons need to carry on working, both live in remote locations and teaming up together would not be practical. A third party that may pay for the hire of the dog has asked "how much do you think it would cost"
Ranger22
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I am the other guy, my GWP died at work. I only had one dog, so in a bit of a hole. Rem 284, kindly offered me his spare dog to keep me going. I am very experienced in working dogs. Myself and the dog have bonded, I understand his signals and hopefully he understands me. It won’t end in tears, that I can assure you.
That explains the situation better. Has the dog worked with him before? I think a trial would be the best way to start. I assume you trust this guy completely.
Sorry Ranger 22 - just noticed your reply.
Ya big softy
I know it is a difficult question to answer because on a pure monetary sense it has probably not happened before. I understand people saying about the fact that the handler and dog is a team but under these circumstances it seems to be the best compromise.
Wolverine
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You can never say it won’t end in tears as you don’t know what may happen.
i mean,if the dog dies with you at work as your last dog has I presume you will ensure Rem284 a replacement dog.
No one knows what can happen when you let that dog chase a wounded animal.
What happened to your GWP Ranger22?
A nightmare when you haven’t got a dog,you have a good friend who is lending you his dog just now,I hope all goes well and nothing happens.
As for hiring a dog out.......really Rem284,you’re better selling the dog and making a clean break IMO.
Of course up to you two......Id be wary of things happening and then problems arising.
Treedave
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Its good to see someone willing to help in such a pants situation for Ranger. For me there's a couple of ways of getting to a number,
1 - What is the 3rd party willing to pay? What are you happy to take? Does Ranger get an "allowance" for the work dog? All just start points for a conversation.
2 - Work out what the dog costs per month of it's working life (not what it's worth - that's a massive tin of worms best left shut!). EG purchase cost, insurance, vets fees, feed, housing, leads etc etc then divide it down by working life (bearing in mind that first year might not be a full working dog and they can't work forever). This gives you a figure to start from, its down to you if you want to add some on eg towards a replacement when it comes due or take some off as its mates rates for a couple of months.
There also needs to be a solid (written down?) agreement to cover all the foreseeable issues (vet bills, illness, injury, stock damage, loss etc etc). There will be way too much emotion flying around, on both sides, if the worst happens, so best to have it agreed and recorded beforehand, if possible.
A horribly cold and calculating way of looking at it, but I do the same with my work machinery and then add on enough to get a replacement when its worn out. At least this way the machines earn their keep and most of the cost of a replacement is covered.
Good luck
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Ranger22
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ok, you’ve got me sussed!
Ranger22
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Firstly George you need to stop being so negative about possible outcomes
My GWP died of suspected heart failure, he was not chasing wounded beast. I had sent him forward to locate a shot beast. His death would of happened even if he was walking at heel.
I would be interested if somebody could put a figure in the their answer
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