Import duties from Germany

[Dunwaters]

Perhaps if the Eu hadn’t been so corrupt we might have voted differently

Perhaps if you’d stayed, you could have helped with the reforms.

 

[nun_hunter]

Perhaps if the Eu hadn’t been so corrupt we might have voted differently

Perhaps if the majority did any research before voting we'd have had more of a majority either way.

I genuinely heard two people discussing why they voted one to leave and one to remain and it came down to one wanting to keep free roaming charges when they went on holiday and one wanted to be able to buy whatever shaped fruit and veg they could

 

[tim@tcs]

Perhaps if you’d stayed, you could have helped with the reforms.

When our elected MEP’s can’t change anything then I can’t see how we could.
That’s the sort of argument that the Tory party wants to use when the fed up of being lied to have deserted them!
I’m not waiting hundreds of years for a corrupt club to change its rules!
It’s a broken idea run by crooks for their own benefit!
You could always emigrate and change it yourself then let us know how you got on?

 

[tim@tcs]

Perhaps if the majority did any research before voting we'd have had more of a majority either way.

I genuinely heard two people discussing why they voted one to leave and one to remain and it came down to one wanting to keep free roaming charges when they went on holiday and one wanted to be able to buy whatever shaped fruit and veg they could

Voting is personal for a reason and it’s democracy! That’s why the Eu can’t be changed as it’s undemocratic

 

[nun_hunter]

Voting is personal for a reason and it’s democracy! That’s why the Eu can’t be changed as it’s undemocratic

Although we could vote directly for out MEP yet we have the House of Lords who none of us voted for

 

[tim@tcs]

Although we could vote directly for out MEP yet we have the House of Lords who none of us voted for

Who can amend laws unlike MEP’s who can only rubber stamp laws!

 

[Dunwaters]

When our elected MEP’s can’t change anything then I can’t see how we could.
That’s the sort of argument that the Tory party wants to use when the fed up of being lied to have deserted them!
I’m not waiting hundreds of years for a corrupt club to change its rules!
It’s a broken idea run by crooks for their own benefit!
You could always emigrate and change it yourself then let us know how you got on?

I’m still inside the tent and have a say, you’re outside and have none, but you still live in the neighbourhood and share the amenities.
True, your elected MEP’ s couldn’t change club rules all on their own whenever it suited you, but no single nation can, you made no attempt to recruit a consensus or negotiate.
You tried to dictate terms.
You are now getting slowly boiled in a pot of your own **** and of your own devising.
The E U doesn’t have to do anything but wait, you’ve cocked up royally as a nation, you didn’t get what you wanted with Brexit and you’ll still have to comply with Eu regulations and directives but now you have no voice in the decision making process.
You are spending far more than you need to on taxes and excise, with your largest trading partners and you no longer have the right to free travel and residence with your closest neighbours, (except us).
The EU is quite happy to see you flounder, your companies and business have to deal with it and cover the increased costs, the rest of the EU can choose whether the extra cost and inconvenience of dealing with you is worth it, you guys really have no choice.
Regardless of whether BREXIT represents a win or a loss for the uk, theres one thing you can’t deny, your exit negotiations were an absolute shambles. You were forced to accept whatever terms the EU offered and swallow it down like a lamb with a bottle, all the EU had to do was sit there and stare.
If this is a win, I’d hate to see how bad things get before you admit a loss.

 

[nun_hunter]

Who can amend laws unlike MEP’s who can only rubber stamp laws!

I was making a point about the House Aof Lords not being democratic as they weren't elected and yet have more power over out daily lives than those MEPs who we did elect.

The UK has very lazy politicians who just accepted and adopted any EU law that came along without checking if it suited us and choosing to skirt around it like plenty of other EU countries do.

 

[Whitefront]

I’m still inside the tent and have a say, you’re outside and have none, but you still live in the neighbourhood and share the amenities.
True, your elected MEP’ s couldn’t change club rules all on their own whenever it suited you, but no single nation can, you made no attempt to recruit a consensus or negotiate.
You tried to dictate terms.
You are now getting slowly boiled in a pot of your own **** and of your own devising.
The E U doesn’t have to do anything but wait, you’ve cocked up royally as a nation, you didn’t get what you wanted with Brexit and you’ll still have to comply with Eu regulations and directives but now you have no voice in the decision making process.
You are spending far more than you need to on taxes and excise, with your largest trading partners and you no longer have the right to free travel and residence with your closest neighbours, (except us).
The EU is quite happy to see you flounder, your companies and business have to deal with it and cover the increased costs, the rest of the EU can choose whether the extra cost and inconvenience of dealing with you is worth it, you guys really have no choice.
Regardless of whether BREXIT represents a win or a loss for the uk, theres one thing you can’t deny, your exit negotiations were an absolute shambles. You were forced to accept whatever terms the EU offered and swallow it down like a lamb with a bottle, all the EU had to do was sit there and stare.
If this is a win, I’d hate to see how bad things get before you admit a loss.

The EU is a protectionist bloc with a sharply declining share of world GDP. The UK recently overtook France as the world's fourth largest exporter.

 

[Whitefront]

You were forced to accept whatever terms the EU offered and swallow it down like a lamb with a bottle, all the EU had to do was sit there and stare.
If this is a win, I’d hate to see how bad things get before you admit a loss.

The Irish, of course, didn't even have a negotiation after their own vote against the EU. They were simply told to do it again and get the "right" answer, and their leaders meekly complied:

How an Irish observer warned in 2013 how the pro-EU elite would seek to block Brexit | BrexitCentral

In November 2013, Robert Oulds of the Bruges Group invited me to speak at a conference in London. He asked me because I had been for some years accredited as a journalist to the EU institutions in Brussels, writing in particular the Brussels Blog for the Mail Online. More, being Irish, I had...

brexitcentral.com

 

[tim@tcs]

I’m still inside the tent and have a say, you’re outside and have none, but you still live in the neighbourhood and share the amenities.
True, your elected MEP’ s couldn’t change club rules all on their own whenever it suited you, but no single nation can, you made no attempt to recruit a consensus or negotiate.
You tried to dictate terms.
You are now getting slowly boiled in a pot of your own **** and of your own devising.
The E U doesn’t have to do anything but wait, you’ve cocked up royally as a nation, you didn’t get what you wanted with Brexit and you’ll still have to comply with Eu regulations and directives but now you have no voice in the decision making process.
You are spending far more than you need to on taxes and excise, with your largest trading partners and you no longer have the right to free travel and residence with your closest neighbours, (except us).
The EU is quite happy to see you flounder, your companies and business have to deal with it and cover the increased costs, the rest of the EU can choose whether the extra cost and inconvenience of dealing with you is worth it, you guys really have no choice.
Regardless of whether BREXIT represents a win or a loss for the uk, theres one thing you can’t deny, your exit negotiations were an absolute shambles. You were forced to accept whatever terms the EU offered and swallow it down like a lamb with a bottle, all the EU had to do was sit there and stare.
If this is a win, I’d hate to see how bad things get before you admit a loss.

Well I’m happy, I’d be happier if they kept their illegal immigrants as well!

 

[tim@tcs]

I was making a point about the House Aof Lords not being democratic as they weren't elected and yet have more power over out daily lives than those MEPs who we did elect.

The UK has very lazy politicians who just accepted and adopted any EU law that came along without checking if it suited us and choosing to skirt around it like plenty of other EU countries do.

That says more about our politicians who were happy to do nothing other than accept Eu regulations unless they could show horn in a bit of gold plating for them!
Lazy ineffectual mp’s quite happy to do as little work as possible!
Hopefully a change is on its way!

 

[JTO]

Perhaps if you’d stayed, you could have helped with the reforms.

Fat chance of that!

 

[Dunwaters]

The Irish, of course, didn't even have a negotiation after their own vote against the EU. They were simply told to do it again and get the "right" answer, and their leaders meekly complied:

How an Irish observer warned in 2013 how the pro-EU elite would seek to block Brexit | BrexitCentral

In November 2013, Robert Oulds of the Bruges Group invited me to speak at a conference in London. He asked me because I had been for some years accredited as a journalist to the EU institutions in Brussels, writing in particular the Brussels Blog for the Mail Online. More, being Irish, I had...

brexitcentral.com

Sadly that’s all too true.
We could have done with a bit of support, realistically we couldn’t have done a lone run.

 

[Dunwaters]

The EU is a protectionist bloc with a sharply declining share of world GDP. The UK recently overtook France as the world's fourth largest exporter.

You’d do even better if you hadn’t put yourself at a serious disadvantage when trading with 400 million of your closest neighbours.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

In 20 years time we will be able to retrospectively prove whether it was a good or bad vote. I will be 94 so I really don't give one.

 

[tim@tcs]

You’d do even better if you hadn’t put yourself at a serious disadvantage when trading with 400 million of your closest neighbours.

Alternatively time will tell

 

[tim@tcs]

There has always been daylight robbery in this country by the import agents. I couriered a sect 58 rifle shipped from Italy where it was off ticket. The lad who wanted it brought back was stiffed by Italian freight handlers and the uk customs and import agents at Heathrow!
That was when we were in the Eu

 

[spanj]

I’m still inside the tent and have a say, you’re outside and have none, but you still live in the neighbourhood and share the amenities.
True, your elected MEP’ s couldn’t change club rules all on their own whenever it suited you, but no single nation can, you made no attempt to recruit a consensus or negotiate.
You tried to dictate terms.
You are now getting slowly boiled in a pot of your own **** and of your own devising.
The E U doesn’t have to do anything but wait, you’ve cocked up royally as a nation, you didn’t get what you wanted with Brexit and you’ll still have to comply with Eu regulations and directives but now you have no voice in the decision making process.
You are spending far more than you need to on taxes and excise, with your largest trading partners and you no longer have the right to free travel and residence with your closest neighbours, (except us).
The EU is quite happy to see you flounder, your companies and business have to deal with it and cover the increased costs, the rest of the EU can choose whether the extra cost and inconvenience of dealing with you is worth it, you guys really have no choice.
Regardless of whether BREXIT represents a win or a loss for the uk, theres one thing you can’t deny, your exit negotiations were an absolute shambles. You were forced to accept whatever terms the EU offered and swallow it down like a lamb with a bottle, all the EU had to do was sit there and stare.
If this is a win, I’d hate to see how bad things get before you admit a loss.

Eu sees us flounder …. hilarious. The EU is a house of cards, unelected and unwanted in lots of cases but most too scared to leave. Hope France and Germany have VERY deep pockets, they will need them

 

[Ruby Tuesday 2]

Got to love the fact that the original op left on the first page saying he wasn't going to bother and four pages later we are all still arguing.......