Import duties from Germany

[jthyttin]

Trust me


They do require export licence

Just got a confirmation, no they do not. LW has some peculiar views on who they sell to, and if UK needs some paperwork on import, they might find it best to act like export license is needed. But no formal license to export barrel blanks from Germany.

 

[Ronin]

Just got a confirmation, no they do not. LW has some peculiar views on who they sell to, and if UK needs some paperwork on import, they might find it best to act like export license is needed. But no formal license to export barrel blanks from Germany.

So export licence needed for Lothar Walther

As I said in previous post

Kind of rotational discussion

No export licence - no barrel from Lothar

 

[JTO]

If the invoice is in GBP and shows VAT has been paid, you don't seem to get charged VAT this end.

 

[Dunwaters]

If you don't want immigration hassle when traveling to and from France, get a rubber dinghy.

That only works one way.

 

[jthyttin]

No export licence - no barrel from Lothar

Might be true for your circumstances, but LW certainly exports barrel blanks from Germany without any export licenses (that are not needed by their legislation)

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Trust me


They do require export licence

Unchambered, really?

 

[Ronin]

Unchambered, really?

Makes no difference - can’t buy without export licence

 

[Ronin]

Might be true for your circumstances, but LW certainly exports barrel blanks from Germany without any export licenses (that are not needed by their legislation)

I’m sure they do

They won’t supply barrels to the uk without export licence

It costs nothing

Really is a pointless discussion

If a client wants a specific barrel from a specific manufacturer and it happens to be LW then that’s what the client gets

I don’t arrange the licence, LW do - who cares

Seems like someone getting a twisted bowel for nothing

 

[jthyttin]

I don’t arrange the licence, LW do - who cares

You were implying that export license adds to cost and/or trouble of getting LW barrels, so no wonder people bring it up...

 

[Heym SR20]

On the matter of VAT cross borders from a retailers perspective

Pre-BREXiT

Customer makes the order. VAT is charged at point of sale and is aid in full. Goods dispatched to the customer. Goods arrive at customer. Happy customer.

Retailer makes quarterly VAT return in country, noting sales to the EU and pays the net VAT to local equivalent of HMRC.

Every now and then there would be a centralised reckoning / netting off of VAT. One of the reasons we paid quite over to the EU was due to large amount of online buying from UK by European based customers - compared to UK buying from EU retailers.

Post Brexit.

There is a choice.

1) The Retailer registers as an Exporter and gets a special export registration number. Customer places an order and does not pay the VAT. Goods are shipped but with notice that VAT to be paid.

When it arrives in country the goods need to be cleared through customs and local VAT paid by customer.

This often leads to lengthy delays as customer has to be notified and make payments.

Note that each EU country has its customs procedures as regards to goods from outside the EU, so requirements are different.

2) Retailer registers for VAT in the destination country. VAT is paid at the time of sale at the amount of the country of destination. Goods are marked VAT paid.

At end of each quarter, VAT return done for each country and VAT fir each country paid to that country.

So for a UK business doing online sales to Europe they will need register 27 different VAT accounts - one for each country, and complete 27 different VAT returns and make 27 different payments. Probably achievable for a large business, but a bloody nightmare for a small business.

3) you set up an EU based business that buys wholesale from the UK business. Net effect is that the UK looses significant revenue- it doesn’t get the retail price, it only gets the wholesale price. All staff in EU base, along with property etc get paid in European country and pay tax in European country etc.


And lets not forget all the additional paperwork as UK regs are no longer recognised by EU etc. So if you are making meat based products in the UK, even though three years ago your standards are fully EU standard, and nothing has changed and you still doing things to the same standard, you now need a whole of additional checks etc and these are per consignment.

 

[JTO]

I guess We Help You Decide - Optics-Trade is registered in the UK for VAT payments.

 

[375win]

As Heym SR20 points out correctly, importing items to the UK from any European country is a complete and expensive PITA now. Hopefully something can be done to ease that aspect of our trade relations.

 

[enfieldspares]

Why don't you just go and live in France?

Because now, post Brexit, he can't can he.

 

[Heym SR20]

Because now, post Brexit, he can't can he.

I used to work a lot with European companies and venture capital investors. My qualifications and FCA authorisations allowed me to work from the North East corner of Finland, right down to Southern Greece and Spain. Partnership I was with had an office in Amsterdam as well as UK.

Like many professionals with just a UK passport I can now only go to Europe in a supervisory capacity or to talk about doing business. I am unable to work over there. I can get a work visa to work in individual countries, but each has very different requirements, and if you have a visa in one, it only allows you to work in that one country. If you want to work as a professional you need ti be qualified in that country, abd that usually requires taking exams in the language of the country concerned. Then given that I am of a certain age, any sponsoring employer needs to demonstrate there is not a younger local who do the job that I am being sponsored for. I have been through this with the Dutch authorities and it was a no to myself and other UK partners.

Part of my long term plan was to go and get a shack in the mountains and do odd jobs to subsidise my savings. Pretty much as other friends and colleagues have done. Only difference is that have an Irish or other EU passport.

If you are very wealthy you can get an investor visa in some countries.

I was born in Africa, and if I could get a passport from my country of birth, I would probably have a better chance. But not “being of indigenous nature” that route is not open either.

For those inward looking Brexiteers who have been beyond their county boundary and those who live more 20 miles are foreigners, Brexit has not had much effect. But for those of us who do work, travel and do business across Europe it has been an absolute disaster.

Yes we allegedly have a trading relationship with Australia and currently one of my portfolio is working with major Australian opportunities- but is bloody expensive to deal with and a visit is at least ten days and several thousand pounds, whereas most of Europe you can do a daytrip or an overnight to see clients or customers.

 

[JTO]

Because now, post Brexit, he can't can he.

Shame!

 

[Bavarianbrit]

I used to work a lot with European companies and venture capital investors. My qualifications and FCA authorisations allowed me to work from the North East corner of Finland, right down to Southern Greece and Spain. Partnership I was with had an office in Amsterdam as well as UK.

Like many professionals with just a UK passport I can now only go to Europe in a supervisory capacity or to talk about doing business. I am unable to work over there. I can get a work visa to work in individual countries, but each has very different requirements, and if you have a visa in one, it only allows you to work in that one country. If you want to work as a professional you need ti be qualified in that country, abd that usually requires taking exams in the language of the country concerned. Then given that I am of a certain age, any sponsoring employer needs to demonstrate there is not a younger local who do the job that I am being sponsored for. I have been through this with the Dutch authorities and it was a no to myself and other UK partners.

Part of my long term plan was to go and get a shack in the mountains and do odd jobs to subsidise my savings. Pretty much as other friends and colleagues have done. Only difference is that have an Irish or other EU passport.

If you are very wealthy you can get an investor visa in some countries.

I was born in Africa, and if I could get a passport from my country of birth, I would probably have a better chance. But not “being of indigenous nature” that route is not open either.

For those inward looking Brexiteers who have been beyond their county boundary and those who live more 20 miles are foreigners, Brexit has not had much effect. But for those of us who do work, travel and do business across Europe it has been an absolute disaster.

Yes we allegedly have a trading relationship with Australia and currently one of my portfolio is working with major Australian opportunities- but is bloody expensive to deal with and a visit is at least ten days and several thousand pounds, whereas most of Europe you can do a daytrip or an overnight to see clients or customers.

Well said,
I was so lucky to have done my complete "after training" working career while we were in the EEC/EU/Common Market where I did 35-40 years of earning, it would have been impossible otherwise.

 

[tim@tcs]

Perhaps if the Eu hadn’t been so corrupt we might have voted differently

 

[Heym SR20]

Perhaps if the Eu hadn’t been so corrupt we might have voted differently

Perhaps if those leading the debate hadn’t been so corrupt and misleading then perhaps we would have voted differently. Lets not forget Vote Leave plead guilty and paid fines to the Electoral Commission for misleading statements.

 

[tim@tcs]

Regardless of the campaign it wouldn’t have taken place if the Eu commissioners were accountable

 

[tim@tcs]

Perhaps if those leading the debate hadn’t been so corrupt and misleading then perhaps we would have voted differently. Lets not forget Vote Leave plead guilty and paid fines to the Electoral Commission for misleading statements.

Let’s not forget the doom and gloom campaign paid for by us taxpayers!

Edited to add. We left so get over it and work out how to live with it!