DaveJelen
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Great vid John..... Dont let them reel you in mate
ATB.. Dave
Incredible lung shot
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ATB.. Dave
Solwaystalker
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Good video John , all well done and easy to see even on camera no second shot needed
a good example for novices to watch and learn
a good example for novices to watch and learn
Nice video John keep them coming mate 
re'M'ington
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that was a class video John,any update on the Pikeys'.................sorry mate.....lol
Martin
Martin
jackfish
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Unbelievable that he could carry on when you actually see the exit damage on the other side of him, just goes to show what they are capable of. I think if I had been out on my own I would have definetly second guessed myself thinking I'd had missed completely. Fantastic video, always a pleasure to watch.
Bryan
Bryan
Ronin
Distinguished Member
Well the detractors and host appear to be missing the point.
If the buck was presented as part of a DSC L1 safety test and the candidate said yes they would take the shot, then they would fail that scenario.
A hedge simply isnt a safe backstop.
I posed the question, "what was behind" - for all I knew there could have been a railway bank or earth work.
A simple question, requiring a simple answer.
But instead I got a sarcastic answer and several derogatory replies regarding stalking experience and comments from back slappers regarding the host knowing his ground.
Thats fine, we all "know our ground" or should, what we dont know its what is behind something the bullet can pass through, unless of course one is blessed with X-Ray vision.....
If the buck was presented as part of a DSC L1 safety test and the candidate said yes they would take the shot, then they would fail that scenario.
A hedge simply isnt a safe backstop.
I posed the question, "what was behind" - for all I knew there could have been a railway bank or earth work.
A simple question, requiring a simple answer.
But instead I got a sarcastic answer and several derogatory replies regarding stalking experience and comments from back slappers regarding the host knowing his ground.
Thats fine, we all "know our ground" or should, what we dont know its what is behind something the bullet can pass through, unless of course one is blessed with X-Ray vision.....
csl
Administrator
A fair point, but for the fact that we have to go through this process every single time a video is posted. It does become a bit tedious and detracts from the point the video was posted in the first place, which was to show a rather abnormal reaction to a good shot.
Perhaps if it had been a new member or a novice questioning the shot it would have been worth clarifying that the shot was safe once again but you've been around long enough and I think John has posted enough videos and explained enough shots by now that we could perhaps extend the benefit of doubt and concentrate on the reason the video was posted?
Alex
www.yorkshireroestalking.
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if you watch again you will see we walk into the deer from where it ran not where we shot it from. This also allowed more time to be certain the buck had "bled out"
I use every single strike as on the job training for breeze and allowed her to nose the strike and follow the blood trail, though recently she is following airscent rather than tracking the beast by blood. Thats fine same end result. When the trail is older she noses the floor.
And redmist , alex has hit the nail on the head. I sometimes think why should i post vids anymore to go through this process everytime. As it happens we had just come from the other side of that hedge and saw the buck behind us, we crossed through it and turned back into him. We now knew nothing but a large arable field was behind the hedge as only a minute earlier we were stood in it. The shot wasn't even taken through the hedge but along it. Enough there to break any remaining bullet up before it even "grounded out" just behind the animal. the shot as most was taken off the sticks so a good downward angle is assured.
How many threads have been started on here about me asking/making a client take an unsafe shot?????
I'm sure the amount of people i deal with you would see 1 appear were it true.
And as for you doing me a favour regarding my certificates bringing this to everyones attention as you did simply does me NO favours. Think about that next time you do me a favour.
regards john.
"A fair point, but for the fact that we have to go through this process every single time a video is posted."
So how about, if a photo or video is posted, and it has an apparently debatable backstop (or other aspect that might be interpreted differently), the poster qualifies it. There's a lot to be learned from these videos, especially for novices like me. My initial reaction was "Backstop?" but then I realised who'd posted it so I assumed it was safe. If someone is new to the site, or just browsing, what would their reaction be?
So how about, if a photo or video is posted, and it has an apparently debatable backstop (or other aspect that might be interpreted differently), the poster qualifies it. There's a lot to be learned from these videos, especially for novices like me. My initial reaction was "Backstop?" but then I realised who'd posted it so I assumed it was safe. If someone is new to the site, or just browsing, what would their reaction be?
WAYNE DAVIES
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Maybe admin should put a sticky at the top of the video section saying all shots are safe unless proven otherwise by people with nowt else to do
glogin
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Maybe admin should put a sticky at the top of the video section saying all shots are safe unless proven otherwise by people with nowt else to do
Ronin
Distinguished Member
John
I am (was) unaware of any issues raised regarding your previous posts.
I am aware there is a fair tirade, when it comes to longer range shot videos - I havent seen any of your video's before.
If you'd posted in the answer to my initial ?, the matter would have ended there - fair comment, if youd been in the field behind moments earlier.
There was no malice in my post then as there is no malice now.
If you'd shown me the video when we were in the same room, I would have asked the same question.
I rarely get into "keyboard" arguments and have a very open mind and approach to distance, what to take and how,
The site is open for anyone to see, I think the point I raised was relevant.
Youve answered the question, thank you.
I am (was) unaware of any issues raised regarding your previous posts.
I am aware there is a fair tirade, when it comes to longer range shot videos - I havent seen any of your video's before.
If you'd posted in the answer to my initial ?, the matter would have ended there - fair comment, if youd been in the field behind moments earlier.
There was no malice in my post then as there is no malice now.
If you'd shown me the video when we were in the same room, I would have asked the same question.
I rarely get into "keyboard" arguments and have a very open mind and approach to distance, what to take and how,
The site is open for anyone to see, I think the point I raised was relevant.
Youve answered the question, thank you.
csl
Administrator
Fair play, issue sorted. At the end of the day we are all on the same side!
Plus we'd need a sticky to tell people to read the stickies, because they don't!
Anyone have any thoughts on whether there is anything in the bunged up exit hole theory? I've seen a sika hind run like the clappers with no heart and very little blood and the exit wound was clogged with fat and lung tissue....
If we put up a sticky every time we thought of something to stick half the forum would be 'stuck'Maybe admin should put a sticky at the top of the video section saying all shots are safe unless proven otherwise by people with nowt else to do
Plus we'd need a sticky to tell people to read the stickies, because they don't!
Anyone have any thoughts on whether there is anything in the bunged up exit hole theory? I've seen a sika hind run like the clappers with no heart and very little blood and the exit wound was clogged with fat and lung tissue....
Offroad Gary
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An interesting video, and as much as I hate to see them run and bleed out on their feet (I’d rather see them drop to the shot), it raises discussion on the “10 minute wait” – it was obvious that the buck had been terminally shot, although as he disappeared from the camera picture he was still (just) on his feet – question is – if this were a level 2 stalk (or any stalk – as they should all be carried out to level 2 standards/practices) – would you wait 10 minutes to follow that one up?? Quite topical for me as 2 of my 3 ICR’s had deer disappearing from sight which required a follow up.
So – did that deer require a 10 minute wait? Yes or no?
So – did that deer require a 10 minute wait? Yes or no?
csl
Administrator
Good question. Personally, if I had seen the strike and seen the exit wound as the buck was running (as we could in the video) I wouldn't have been too worried about the 10 minute wait... maybe give it a couple of minutes to properly expire would be good practice. If it was a witnessed stalk you could say you had visual confirmation of the strike and could be very confident the deer was down just out of sight.
If I hadn't had that visual confirmation of the strike, with the deer reacting like it had, I would have given it the several minute wait before going to the strike site to confirm the hit and see what sort of a wound we were dealing with.
Would be interesting to hear an AW take on it...
Alex
www.yorkshireroestalking.
Distinguished Member
yes, we waited 10 minutes with 1 of us at each side of the hedge it walked into, watching for movement. Then we took Breeze to the strike and allowed her time to smell around. Reckon we would be almost 15 minutes before we found him in the hedge where he was last seen.
If it was an evening stalk and near dark 5 mins would have done.
WAYNE DAVIES
Distinguished Member
If we put up a sticky every time we thought of something to stick half the forum would be 'stuck'
Plus we'd need a sticky to tell people to read the stickies, because they don't!
But if you had a sticky to read the stickie about the stickies I'm sure all will be fine
DAThornley
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great video, thanks for sharing them, why cant you lock the thread once the video has been posted? just a thought
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