InfiRay Finder FH25R Thermal

After a few days using this infiray E6+ and a number of years using the quantum xq30v lite. I'm sort of going to say I know where your coming from. The iray is to good, maybe a little to good. In a weird sort of way, I still prefer the older pulsar with is little sensor. Yes, hard work spotting rabbits over 200 yards and fox over 400. Deer after 8-900 you really need to know your grounds and what should be there.
The pulsar had really done me very well for spotting heat blobs.

The iray picks up everything, at 1000+ I can see the branch's and on the trees. I can see all the pheasants in the trees too. Every mouse in the field, all the bats for stupid distance. I know it's just time to relearn and adjust to the new way, And i dare I have a few setting to sort out. The only reason I changed to better was I need to know what's on the ground on places I don't know. I need to know if a long walk will end up just being a badger or muntjac when I'm on the foxes. I need to be able to see the difference between a lamb and a fox in the lambing fields. So I changed.
Yes a few things I'm missing at the momnet but I'll get use to it. I'm blind as a bat and at night I put the glasses away, this means I can't see the time on my phone, the pulsar had the time in the corner. I liked that.
Also the two mounting points ment I could use the bino harness to stop the neck strain.
But, the main one is the white hot for the day time and a quick press of a button turned on the red with yellow hot for night, saving the eye burn.
As said, all new, just need time in the field with the E6+ and I'm sure it will be fine.
Just have to sell the pulsar off now haha
Anything is a big step up from a 3yr plus Quantum XQ30V lite activevii , they only had a chalcogenide lens also, so a modern day higher priced thermal will be much better for you image wise..
It's about business. A Pulsar dealer doesn't make money from people wanting Iray, unless they have stock over, from when they were also an Iray dealer, before they weren't !

Time, and again, people state their own "personal preference", which may, or may not be the same personal preference as someone else, but this is misleading, unless someone has had the opportunity to try both, side by side. A rare thing.

It's like arguing that Swarovski is better than Zeiss, or Leica, or visa versa. Personal preference, none are "bad", it depends on what your own eyes prefer.


"Marketing, is marketing", a "sales pitch", is a "sales pitch". Owners nearly always recommend what they have at the time, because that's what they either compared, and preferred, or they just bought into, and now need to justify their choice, mainly to themselves.

I deal with this type of cr*p all the time, people telling people something is the best thing since sliced bread, when it's the limit of their experience.

I don't rate one of these brands over another, but I do rate individual units, based on application, and "MY personal preference".

Do the same, and it's hard to go wrong !
I've invested serious amounts into thermal, I've imported units here no-one has used or even heard of and I've compared them side by side with all the known brands, I use them constantly myself in the field, what I'm not is a liar, anyone who knows me personally will vouch for that, I'm not the type to rip or pull anyones pants down... again ANYONE is welcome to come out and see exactly the points I have made. They can gain that information free or choose to ignore it... A £1k thermal will spot, a £4k thermal will spot, some will show no background detail, some will show lots of background detail, some are poor built, some are well built, some have slow processors, some have rapid processors, etc, etc so please don't think for one second I'm saying any of the above for anything else but because it's fact..

Anyone local Durham / North East, that wants a NV / Thermal night, lets organise something, let me show you first hand without the internet, the offer is there...
 
Anything is a big step up from a 3yr plus Quantum XQ30V lite activevii , they only had a chalcogenide lens also, so a modern day higher priced thermal will bu much better for you image wise..

I've invested crazy amounts into thermal, I've imported units here no-one has used or even heard of and I've compared them side by side with all the known brands, I use them constantly myself in the field, what I'm not is a liar, anyone who knows me persoanlly will vouch for that, I'm not the type to rip or pull anyones pants down... again ANYONE is welcome to come out and see exactly the points I have made. They can gain that information free or choose to ignore it... A £1k thermal will spot, a £4k thermal will spot, some will show no background detail, some will show lots of background detail, some are poor built, some are well built, some have slow processors, some have rapid processors, etc, etc so please don't think for one second I'm saying any of the above for anything else but.. the point it is fact, like it or not..

Anyone local, that wants a NV / Thermal night, lets organise something, let me show you first hand without the internet, the offer is there...

Ian,

I'm not suggesting you're lying, but what you persist on doing. is basing everything on "YOUR" eyes, "YOUR" "personal preference", rather than accepting that peoples eyes are different, and some will prefer one unit over another, REGARDLESS of what suits "YOU" the best !

It's that simple.
 
Ian,

I'm not suggesting you're lying, but what you persist on doing. is basing everything on "YOUR" eyes, "YOUR" "personal preference", rather than accepting that peoples eyes are different, and some will prefer one unit over another, REGARDLESS of what suits "YOU" the best !

It's that simple.
There’s more to it than just an image , lots more.

Everyone who has used these when we have been hunting will say exactly the same as myself .. Hence my offer, and I’ll stand by everything I say 100% . People have been using all sorts of thermals and been very happy with them since they first became available in the U.K, things have advanced, but without being rude a lot just don’t know any better and are unable to spend large sums to actually find out, a lot of retailers are just salesmen with zero knowledge of the products, others will push people into the latest and greatest just because they can get it in stock, I’d rather turn someone away and send them elsewhere if there’s better , anyone can choose what they want like you say, but it can be an expensive learning curve .
 
There’s more to it than just an image , lots more.

Everyone who has used these when we have been hunting will say exactly the same as myself .. Hence my offer, and I’ll stand by everything I say 100% . People have been using all sorts of thermals and been very happy with them since they first became available in the U.K, things have advanced, but without being rude a lot just don’t know any better and are unable to spend large sums to actually find out, a lot of retailers are just salesmen with zero knowledge of the products, others will push people into the latest and greatest just because they can get it in stock, I’d rather turn someone away and send them elsewhere if there’s better , anyone can choose what they want like you say, but it can be an expensive learning curve .

I am 'someone', therefore part of your 'everyone'. Please don't assume that I will 'say exactly the same as myself' - because I don't!. :tiphat:
 
No **** Sherlock 🤦‍♂️🙄
Hence the reason I’m openly giving advice on here to save people money or give them real world facts, I have used them, I have paid the money, I know what is good and bad about them all , if you like the equivalent of a Great Wall Steed , yeh it gets you from A to B , but it’s highly a Hilux is it .

My point , I receive feedback from hundreds of users and relay feedback from use of these products from them and myself…

Anyway I’m not going around in circles, so if your happy, just enjoy your shooting … there’s lots and lots more kit to come , I’m sure we can continually debate the same thing when anything else lands .
 
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I’m going to throw my hat in this ring, because I feel I can now.
I looked through an i ray finder last night.
Initially we were on my drive, and I saw it in the last knocking of daylight, I was instantly impressed by its size, less than half the size of what I’ve been using for quite a few years now, the helion xq38.
I picked it up and was also impressed how light it felt in the hand, it’s very very similar to my daytime rf, compact light and fairly straightforward to use.
after chatting about thermal, Nv and shooting in genera, looking at a few other bits it was soon dark, I had another look through the i ray finder and was instantly blown away, I scanned around my outbuildings, across the street to the neighbours house, his cars, then at some nearby trees and into my garden, maximum range was 47 metres, this was confirmed by the inbuilt rf, but were known distances to me anyway. The level of detail was outstanding, ive not looked through anything thermal wise at this price point that has provided such a detailed picture, he’ll I was even looking at the brake pads on his car at 45 yards and could make them out perfectly, just like a black and white picture it was that clear
I kept playing around with this little unit as I liked it so much, the evening wasn’t even about the spotter, I was not in the market for one, nor had I looked them up or knew anything about them until this point.
i arranged the evening as I was in the market for a thermal scope, but I wanted real world comparisons, at night, looking at fields and animals, in familiar surrounding I had looked at through thermal previously.
so we had looked over the scopes, and this little spotter on my drive, I suggested we head out to the field to test the “Proper” stuff 😆

out in the field I started handling the scopes blah blah blah…but the little sneaky spotter was also there so in between scopes I managed another look, I had a bit more time playing around with it, and I was straight onto a hedgeline 2 fields away, this hedge is known very well to me and what inhabits the area, immediately I scanned the hedge and could see 7nrabbits in the long grass, long because I’ve not been able to top it this year, and I know just how long it is, I also know the nearest point is 376 metres, (it’s the spot I nailed my longest ever fox at and it stuck in my head ever since) and the furthest point is in excess of 550, I was talking out loud and counting the rabbits, one guy stood next to me who shall remain nameless unless he wishes to step forward was also present last night, and just happened to have his axion with him, he was also scanning the same hedgeline but he struggled to see the rabbits for a moment, then he could see some, but not as many as I had counted, we were talking and directing whilst scanning.
I then grabbed a scope and looked again, won’t bore everyone with the results of the scopes.

The bastard cattle had done the usual jump the fence and were in the wrong field again, so we both sat looking at them, he ranged one at 164, so I tried and ranged it’s head at 164 and it’s Arse at 165.
The RF seemed to work fine, certainly out to 350-400 ish and was plenty accurate enough for my types of shooting at the ranges I shoot.

Now bear in mind this finder was totally new to me, I had been buggering around with settings and didn’t know what I was doing, I could clearly see targets upto 500 ish yards, yes conditions were pretty good, some damp in the air but no rain or fog etc.

I can honestly say I was more than impressed with it, done the job admirably, better than I believe my xq does (wish I had grabbed it and double checked, but I’m certain I was seeing a lot more than I normally would).
would I consider one, well oddly enough I shall be selling my xq soon and replacing it with one of these.
 
I’m going to throw my hat in this ring, because I feel I can now.
I looked through an i ray finder last night.
Initially we were on my drive, and I saw it in the last knocking of daylight, I was instantly impressed by its size, less than half the size of what I’ve been using for quite a few years now, the helion xq38.
I picked it up and was also impressed how light it felt in the hand, it’s very very similar to my daytime rf, compact light and fairly straightforward to use.
after chatting about thermal, Nv and shooting in genera, looking at a few other bits it was soon dark, I had another look through the i ray finder and was instantly blown away, I scanned around my outbuildings, across the street to the neighbours house, his cars, then at some nearby trees and into my garden, maximum range was 47 metres, this was confirmed by the inbuilt rf, but were known distances to me anyway. The level of detail was outstanding, ive not looked through anything thermal wise at this price point that has provided such a detailed picture, he’ll I was even looking at the brake pads on his car at 45 yards and could make them out perfectly, just like a black and white picture it was that clear
I kept playing around with this little unit as I liked it so much, the evening wasn’t even about the spotter, I was not in the market for one, nor had I looked them up or knew anything about them until this point.
i arranged the evening as I was in the market for a thermal scope, but I wanted real world comparisons, at night, looking at fields and animals, in familiar surrounding I had looked at through thermal previously.
so we had looked over the scopes, and this little spotter on my drive, I suggested we head out to the field to test the “Proper” stuff 😆

out in the field I started handling the scopes blah blah blah…but the little sneaky spotter was also there so in between scopes I managed another look, I had a bit more time playing around with it, and I was straight onto a hedgeline 2 fields away, this hedge is known very well to me and what inhabits the area, immediately I scanned the hedge and could see 7nrabbits in the long grass, long because I’ve not been able to top it this year, and I know just how long it is, I also know the nearest point is 376 metres, (it’s the spot I nailed my longest ever fox at and it stuck in my head ever since) and the furthest point is in excess of 550, I was talking out loud and counting the rabbits, one guy stood next to me who shall remain nameless unless he wishes to step forward was also present last night, and just happened to have his axion with him, he was also scanning the same hedgeline but he struggled to see the rabbits for a moment, then he could see some, but not as many as I had counted, we were talking and directing whilst scanning.
I then grabbed a scope and looked again, won’t bore everyone with the results of the scopes.

The bastard cattle had done the usual jump the fence and were in the wrong field again, so we both sat looking at them, he ranged one at 164, so I tried and ranged it’s head at 164 and it’s Arse at 165.
The RF seemed to work fine, certainly out to 350-400 ish and was plenty accurate enough for my types of shooting at the ranges I shoot.

Now bear in mind this finder was totally new to me, I had been buggering around with settings and didn’t know what I was doing, I could clearly see targets upto 500 ish yards, yes conditions were pretty good, some damp in the air but no rain or fog etc.

I can honestly say I was more than impressed with it, done the job admirably, better than I believe my xq does (wish I had grabbed it and double checked, but I’m certain I was seeing a lot more than I normally would).
would I consider one, well oddly enough I shall be selling my xq soon and replacing it with one of these.
Yes Rob you should have checked it against your old Helion XQ38 at range, although not up close... because I can tell you the Helion at range is a better unit with more control, everyone would choose the finder for it's up close image, as it does look very good, but as stated apart from up close image and very compact size, everything else about it, is inferior to other products....

If anyone wants to see my point first hand, give me a shout and jump in the car, I'll show you in the field with any of them alongside..
 
Yes Rob you should have checked it against your old Helion XQ38 at range, although not up close... because I can tell you the Helion at range is a better unit with more control, everyone would choose the finder for it's up close image, as it does look very good, but as stated apart from up close image and very compact size, everything else about it, is inferior to other products....

If anyone wants to see my point first hand, give me a shout and jump in the car, I'll show you in the field with any of them alongside..
No Ian, sorry but I think your wrong, you can tell me till the cows come home, but I know what I saw last night.

As for control, I can’t properly comment, as whilst I know the helion inside out, I have not spent enough time to with the i ray to say what adjustments and fine tuning/control can be done with it, I have judged purely on 10 minutes of messing around and feel certain I wouldn’t have got the best out of it during that time.

ive spent the last however many years looking through the xq38, and the hedge in question is two fields behind my house that I look at every single day and night of my life, I have a very good idea what it looks like through my helion, and everything about the finder said it was certainly as good at range if not better, and most certainly better out to 150 yards, which although i push further, I would think is a fairly good range for a lot of people at night.

However, just to stamp the seal on them before I part with my money, I shall be doing a similiar thing with the two models of iray, my xq38 and hopefully the axion, i won’t be blinkered, and just as last night I shall choose the best on the night, with no prejudice on any of them, all get judged on the merits and downfalls on the day.

If anyone would like to add any similiar comparisons into the mix and willing to turn up on the night, I am all ears 😁 and for anyone selling a product, I will have the money ready and waiting for the right spotter
 
No Ian, sorry but I think your wrong, you can tell me till the cows come home, but I know what I saw last night.

As for control, I can’t properly comment, as whilst I know the helion inside out, I have not spent enough time to with the i ray to say what adjustments and fine tuning/control can be done with it, I have judged purely on 10 minutes of messing around and feel certain I wouldn’t have got the best out of it during that time.

ive spent the last however many years looking through the xq38, and the hedge in question is two fields behind my house that I look at every single day and night of my life, I have a very good idea what it looks like through my helion, and everything about the finder said it was certainly as good at range if not better, and most certainly better out to 150 yards, which although i push further, I would think is a fairly good range for a lot of people at night.

However, just to stamp the seal on them before I part with my money, I shall be doing a similiar thing with the two models of iray, my xq38 and hopefully the axion, i won’t be blinkered, and just as last night I shall choose the best on the night, with no prejudice on any of them, all get judged on the merits and downfalls on the day.

If anyone would like to add any similiar comparisons into the mix and willing to turn up on the night, I am all ears 😁 and for anyone selling a product, I will have the money ready and waiting for the right spotter
Whatever suits , your needs Rob.

The Accolade XQ38 is based on the same technology as the Helion XQ38 and whilst there’s a lot better Pulsar models now, I find the Accolade XQ38 still better than a Finder and it’s the unit I always take with me as I don’t have to worry about batteries running out, LRF is heaps better in all Pulsar models and when running this old unit in Rocks mode it’s a lot better than a Finder scanning around at distance , up close like I say everyone would choose the Finder , it looks better than both the E3/E6 models up close IMO, I would say it even looks better than an XP up close , but it seriously loses perfomance at further range and the eye display is not nice for prolonged use …

I hand on heart would not choose a Finder even though they will do the job for a lot of people , I would use one, but there are better units IMO..

I was initially of the same thought regarding image, I was very impressed, but in reality there not great..based on all my points across this post .

If you want a brand new one let me know , you can have it for less than trade cost ..
 
Whatever suits , your needs Rob.

The Accolade XQ38 is based on the same technology as the Helion XQ38 and whilst there’s a lot better Pulsar models now, I find the Accolade XQ38 still better than a Finder and it’s the unit I always take with me as I don’t have to worry about batteries running out, LRF is heaps better in all Pulsar models and when running this old unit in Rocks mode it’s a lot better than a Finder scanning around at distance , up close like I say everyone would choose the Finder , it looks better than both the E3/E6 models up close IMO, I would say it even looks better than an XP up close , but it seriously loses perfomance at further range and the eye display is not nice for prolonged use …
You may well be right on most of that, I simply wouldn’t know,

I’ve never looked through the accolade, but are they not the binocular type of spotter ? If so then I don’t care how good they are, the major plus points for me on the i ray finder was the size and weight of it, and the cost.

A very quick google shows your site saying discontinued, why would I want something discontinued, Why is it discontinued ?

I also note they are not only over double the size, and possibly weight, but double the price as well 😆
Fair point about battery life, that’s always a concern, and something I will be taking note of, and will play a part in any decision.

I can’t see how the pulsar lrf is heaps better, I tested it side by side with a pulsar unit last night, and we had exactly the same results, there was no winner or looser at normal shooting ranges (sub 200) we wasn’t there to test spotters so didn’t spend ages doing this, we done it purely from interest on our parts as two of us were avid pulsar users, myself included.

Up close I cannot see a single person would even try and say it’s not better, it’s leaps and bounds ahead of everything I’ve ever used, yes it looses some performance the further you push it, of course it does, everything Ive ever used does, but “Seriously loses performance” ? I dont think so, and from the one pulsar unit I checked it against it certainly wasn’t worse, both the pulsar axion and the iray were both new and untested, hadn’t been set up or played around with to get the best from them, the iray in our opinion came out better, the comment from the pulsar owner was “it seemed to knock spots off mine” his words not mine ! But as said, time spent with both units would reveal more I am certain of this.

The eye display, I can see where your coming from, it seems brighter, but then I think that may suit me, as I’ve always had my helion set a little brighter than everyone else I know, will it give eye strain, possibly, again only time and prolonged use in the field will tell me that.
 
You may well be right on most of that, I simply wouldn’t know,

I’ve never looked through the accolade, but are they not the binocular type of spotter ? If so then I don’t care how good they are, the major plus points for me on the i ray finder was the size and weight of it, and the cost.

A very quick google shows your site saying discontinued, why would I want something discontinued, Why is it discontinued ?

I also note they are not only over double the size, and possibly weight, but double the price as well 😆
Fair point about battery life, that’s always a concern, and something I will be taking note of, and will play a part in any decision.

I can’t see how the pulsar lrf is heaps better, I tested it side by side with a pulsar unit last night, and we had exactly the same results, there was no winner or looser at normal shooting ranges (sub 200) we wasn’t there to test spotters so didn’t spend ages doing this, we done it purely from interest on our parts as two of us were avid pulsar users, myself included.

Up close I cannot see a single person would even try and say it’s not better, it’s leaps and bounds ahead of everything I’ve ever used, yes it looses some performance the further you push it, of course it does, everything Ive ever used does, but “Seriously loses performance” ? I dont think so, and from the one pulsar unit I checked it against it certainly wasn’t worse, both the pulsar axion and the iray were both new and untested, hadn’t been set up or played around with to get the best from them, the iray in our opinion came out better, the comment from the pulsar owner was “it seemed to knock spots off mine” his words not mine ! But as said, time spent with both units would reveal more I am certain of this.

The eye display, I can see where your coming from, it seems brighter, but then I think that may suit me, as I’ve always had my helion set a little brighter than everyone else I know, will it give eye strain, possibly, again only time and prolonged use in the field will tell me that.

I'm personally not a massive fan of the Axion XQ as I prefer the Helion XQ models.. BUT the same applies here, the Finder looks great up close and on hard outline objects, in comparison the Axion XQ doesn't look anywhere near as good "up close" but at a distance its lots better and the overall build and LRF are better ...

I was giving an example regarding the Accolade XQ as its the same internal sensor and lens as the Helion XQ original model which is also discontinued.... if you take anything from what I'm saying... do not be fooled by the nice up close image... but saying that, it's your choice and money so who am I to say otherwise..
 
I'm personally not a massive fan of the Axion XQ as I prefer the Helion XQ models.. BUT the same applies here, the Finder looks great up close and on hard outline objects, in comparison the Axion XQ doesn't look anywhere near as good "up close" but at a distance its lots better and the overall build and LRF are better ...

I was giving an example regarding the Accolade XQ as its the same internal sensor and lens as the Helion XQ original model which is also discontinued.... if you take anything from what I'm saying... do not be fooled by the nice up close image... but saying that, it's your choice and money so who am I to say otherwise..
I saw it for the first time last night, I liked it, it had some good points, but did it blow me away, no, time and setup may change that, but it certainly didn’t seem a bad unit.

My point was, you said LRF was better in all pulsar models, my point was that’s not what I found 😆 you keep saying this, but it’s simply not what we found last night,

I have listened to what you have said, you have looked through undoubtedly more different units Than I have hence I only talk about the ones I have looked through.

However, if you gave the same courtesy you would accept that i have said it’s not just the superb up close image we agree on, but in fact out to 500 ish yards I found it on a par with the pulsar, am been kind here to the pulsar unit as I am on the fence that it in fact may have been better.

It picked out rabbits at distance, the pulsar struggled.
It worked as good if not better than the pulsar on objects that were not hard outlined,, hedge, trees and grass
It has a far superior close up image
it ranged identical to the pulsar unit at every range we tried
it was smaller
it was lighter
it cost a couple hundred more, not thousands.
battery life, I have no idea on either unit.

This is real world testing standing out in a field in the middle of the night, not just looking at the house or cars over the road, we were spotting out to 500 plus.
Yes it’s my money and choice on my personal units, but it’s also everyone’s money who is looking to get into it, or upgrade existing kit, I don’t sell either so I make no gain from it either way, I use pulsar, and always been happy with them, but I’m not afraid to say I found the iray better in almost every respect.
 
I saw it for the first time last night, I liked it, it had some good points, but did it blow me away, no, time and setup may change that, but it certainly didn’t seem a bad unit.

My point was, you said LRF was better in all pulsar models, my point was that’s not what I found 😆 you keep saying this, but it’s simply not what we found last night,

I have listened to what you have said, you have looked through undoubtedly more different units Than I have hence I only talk about the ones I have looked through.

However, if you gave the same courtesy you would accept that i have said it’s not just the superb up close image we agree on, but in fact out to 500 ish yards I found it on a par with the pulsar, am been kind here to the pulsar unit as I am on the fence that it in fact may have been better.

It picked out rabbits at distance, the pulsar struggled.
It worked as good if not better than the pulsar on objects that were not hard outlined,, hedge, trees and grass
It has a far superior close up image
it ranged identical to the pulsar unit at every range we tried
it was smaller
it was lighter
it cost a couple hundred more, not thousands.
battery life, I have no idea on either unit.

This is real world testing standing out in a field in the middle of the night, not just looking at the house or cars over the road, we were spotting out to 500 plus.
Yes it’s my money and choice on my personal units, but it’s also everyone’s money who is looking to get into it, or upgrade existing kit, I don’t sell either so I make no gain from it either way, I use pulsar, and always been happy with them, but I’m not afraid to say I found the iray better in almost every respect.
Your sorted then, decision made :D
 
Unfortunately I can't buy or look at every single thermal out there. But I have this one 2nd hand and its as good as anyone would need. And I don't want to shoot past 1000yards. The lrf is mainly for rabbit shooting. With airgun and rimfire.
 
Unfortunately I can't buy or look at every single thermal out there. But I have this one 2nd hand and its as good as anyone would need. And I don't want to shoot past 1000yards. The lrf is mainly for rabbit shooting. With airgun and rimfire.

Of course, few people do get the opportunity, but why would you then suggest someone "just buys" one thermal over another, when you've not even tried both ?

How would you feel if someone told you to do the same, who was in no position to give advice, and you then discover the advice was at best unqualified, or at worst, just plain wrong, but you're now circa £2000.00 out of pocket ???
 
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