Is Venison going the same way as our game birds?

The other problem that arrises is the meat been condemned through chest shooting.
The game dealers are using this as a lever to say there is a lot of wastage.
I have dressed chest shot and some are pretty bad but some are minimal.
.if they have a meat inspector on site they can be pretty ruthless when coming to the carcass damage.
So game dealers are paying less or using this as an excuse to pay less.
 
As I've said before in the game bird threads the sooner big estates or local areas get together and form/ fund localised co-operatives for handling butchering and selling game and completely cut dealers out the market.
This co-ops could even afford to be run at cost( or no profit) as the estates need to be putting all game into food chain even if out means dropping the retail price of venison even if only at this time off year when supply is good.

Even with fewer it is still vitally important every culled beast enters the food chain.

It does beg the question how the hell can u farm, kill, butcher, pack and ship venison for 50p a lb esp coming from Nz??
How do deer farmers cope at such low rates
( I thought someone said on the other thread farmed version gets a way higher price than wild as more predictbble)?)
 
I have no probs getting rid of my small amount of carcasses weekly and find
it bizarre that folk shoot things be it deer or other game without a home for it that they are happy with before shooting it ,
Game dealers are ripping off stalkers we know that but they’re so thin on the ground they are and will get away with it other avenues must be found to encourage folk to eat game .justifying what we do is more significant than ever
Get your thinking caps on folks it’s only gunna get harder
Norma
 
Have you not weighed your's from dressed weight to chopped up? Muntjac have a thick coat so a 22lb dressed caucus will have close to 11lb of main meat. If you picked all the bits you could add 2lb more.

Tim.243
And that's a whole lot of work too Tim. A game processor would end up with far less I'm sure. I get quite a few munties and don't even bother with the front end of shoulder shot ones anymore. My time is better spent out shooting more.
 
I have no probs getting rid of my small amount of carcasses weekly and find
it bizarre that folk shoot things be it deer or other game without a home for it that they are happy with before shooting it ,
When you have a cull plan and a landowner who wants deer controlled I find that a strange comment norma! Stop shooting them and the landowner will soon find someone who will start again!
 
I have no probs getting rid of my small amount of carcasses weekly and find
it bizarre that folk shoot things be it deer or other game without a home for it that they are happy with before shooting it ,
Game dealers are ripping off stalkers we know that but they’re so thin on the ground they are and will get away with it other avenues must be found to encourage folk to eat game .justifying what we do is more significant than ever
Get your thinking caps on folks it’s only gunna get harder
Norma

That's why I think I need to have regionalised co ops as they have a need for there to be a market for the end product.

There is no argument that deer need to be culled but the venison is almost a by product ( similar to game shooting) the dealers know the animals will still be shot and they are the only outlet to get rid of large quantities of into matter wot there rates are.
Without these beasts going into food chain it does give antis an open goal ( althou they didn't bother when the JMT left 86 stags on the hill, or when snh/RDC were extracting deer of hill sides by helicopter straight into 8 wheeler tippers)

I would hope any co op would be slashing retail prices to create a demand esp throu female season.
And have some sort of properly thought out marketing/advertising campign
I just can't see how there is no demand for game meat as it is since to eat if prices for it were lowered
 
Have you not weighed your's from dressed weight to chopped up? Muntjac have a thick coat so a 22lb dressed caucus will have close to 11lb of main meat. If you picked all the bits you could add 2lb more.

Tim.243
Yes I have thousands of time,so for arguments sake as you have stated 50% loss, the dealers cost has now just doubled, and that is without the cost of getting the raw product to the shelves..
 
I can indeed see it going the same way as game. Nothing to do with thermal but everything to do with the deer population going up. Too many trophy hunters buying up permissions and not managing the females on their permission and too many people shooting single animals when a proper reduction cull is required. Picking single animals out of herds sends them nocturnal and results in the population going up. Eventually people have to get on top of them and flood the market. We must do this better guys and girls and get the deer numbers down. Shooting lots of females is the only way! If you have more permission than you can manage properly then pass some on to those less fortunate. It doesn't even have to be a permanent arrangement. If you're asked to stalk another permission then decline but recommend someone else less fortunate.

Hit the nail on the head.
 
When you have a cull plan and a landowner who wants deer controlled I find that a strange comment norma! Stop shooting them and the landowner will soon find someone who will start again!
Who said stop shooting I said find an outlet for your venison
I have Cull’s to meet and an outlet for my venison as have several of my colleagues who also don’t visit game dealers .
Norma
 
When you have a cull plan and a landowner who wants deer controlled I find that a strange comment norma! Stop shooting them and the landowner will soon find someone who will start again!

cull plans are delivered over a year, in the event carcase prices drop there is no reason not to go on slow mode to encourage a price rise for a couple of weeks, there are many avenues that the odd deer Carcase can find a home, as long as it’s prepared / stored correctly, if you get a few deer per year, taking them to a game dealer on a ad hoc basis does lend you to being on the outside to controlling the price expect a reduction the GD ain’t gonna throw money away

if your getting a good number - find a GD that will give you a decent price within the parameters of your most productive cull plan time, if the one you used for years doesn’t come up with something near to what you want and agree the price beforehand, find one that will, get it sorted then let the original know the reason your moving on - that’s important to keep a stop on price reducing IMHO

only my pennies worth, but like most I’ve had some GD’s rip me off in the past, it’s a learn as you go situation sometimes, selling the odd deer to a GD does promote a low price sometimes, it’s what they do, deal in game - I’ve found preparation with GD prior to the season main cull time is a must and obviously keeping your end of the bargain is paramount, agreed numbers on time and certainly any bad shot carcasses are goeshomers, if you put in a fallow with both shoulders blown don’t expect to get any dollar for it, and he’ll inspect the carcasses even more after you try and push one of them on him

I grassed a lovely Roe buck in the season, my local GD said the price was £30.00 - I’m still eating it now, parted as friends on the context that if he wanted some venison it’s £1.50 per pound for a clean beast, didn’t close the door but won’t be going back, id rather eat it myself or give it to friends and family
 
I was speaking to a guy last week who helps out on an estate in Scotland. They have to average 8 hinds/calves a day throughout the season in order to make the cull. Tell them that they have to go slowly for a while. If that happened they clearly wouldn't make their cull and deer would starve all winter. Not a problem if you shoot for the pot but plenty of cull plans must be met for the good of the herd and the land.
 
If this dip in the price is due to a genuine fall in demand then its a worry, if its due to a temporary oversupply than perhaps less so.

I have said this before on here but we need the TV chefs of the country / world to start cooking and eating game again. They used to do it all the time and you hardly ever see it now. Sadly I think this is a victory for the activist minority, chefs are scared of the backlash, they don't want to become the victim of the next twitter storm. Easier to just keep your head down. I watched Jamie Oliver on Graham Norton the other night. He's got a new book out "veg" or something like that. He openly admitted to eating meat but you could tell he was choosing his words carefully, he didn't want to offend anyone. Until our public figures stop running scared of the social justice / vegan warriors we will always be in this position. I can't believe that our edgier comedians aren't going for the jugular on these self righteous idiots, it's an open goal. But instead they are all going along with it. it's sad really.
 
Possibly brexit and export might have something to do with it. It’s all up in the air.

Does anyone on here shoot between Perth and Dundee as I see at least 4 to 5 every time driving along the A90. and was wondering if they need a hand. :) :)

Tongue in cheek but you’d probably have more offers of people letting out their wife or girlfriend than stalking :coat:
 
Game dealers have always ripped the shooters off. I can remember 30 years ago taking 100+ rabbits to one a price had been agreed on the phone. But when we got there he started sorting them out into two piles when one of my older shooting friends asked what he was doing he said he was only going to pay the agreed price for half of the rabbits the other half he was going to give us half the agreed price so my friend said you can have the full priced ones and we will take the rest home with us. The game dealer was not happy about this. I think he thought he was going to get them cheap but he didn't on that day.
 
I was speaking to a guy last week who helps out on an estate in Scotland. They have to average 8 hinds/calves a day throughout the season in order to make the cull. Tell them that they have to go slowly for a while. If that happened they clearly wouldn't make their cull and deer would starve all winter. Not a problem if you shoot for the pot but plenty of cull plans must be met for the good of the herd and the land.

Yep agree 100%, that estate is in a perfect position to get a GD onboard on a good price and collection and given the amount of beasts being grassed, should have a secondary business in processing their own products so there is no time they can’t process the venison and or hold it
 
Yep agree 100%, that estate is in a perfect position to get a GD onboard on a good price and collection and given the amount of beasts being grassed, should have a secondary business in processing their own products so there is no time they can’t process the venison and or hold it
Are they in the perfect position? I don't know. However, there's never been a problem before. You can't just suddenly change everything and produce a secondary business because of a blip. Businesses take time, money and manpower to get off the ground. And what about all of the other estates and land owners up and down the land who also need deer culling? Set up businesses for all of them? Not going to happen.
 
Game dealers have always ripped the shooters off. I can remember 30 years ago taking 100+ rabbits to one a price had been agreed on the phone. But when we got there he started sorting them out into two piles when one of my older shooting friends asked what he was doing he said he was only going to pay the agreed price for half of the rabbits the other half he was going to give us half the agreed price so my friend said you can have the full priced ones and we will take the rest home with us. The game dealer was not happy about this. I think he thought he was going to get them cheap but he didn't on that day.

A bit of pitch but I was in Mozambique and was sent to pick up locally hand made bricks, they started loading the half fired ones in the pick up...! I pointed to the good ones but was ignored until I started chucking out the half fired ones in a heap lol...
Fair play to your mate...

Tim
 
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