Lead ban
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Smellydog
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Any tips on how to keep the print fresh on steel cartridges?are you a barrister? if not you might have missed out on a suited career opporunity, smellydog
Well I will work up a load for my 6PPC using varmint grenades and rebarrel the .243 in 6.5 CM or PRC I suppose
shakey jake
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Hope that paint isnt lead based?
Smellydog
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****, wish I hadn't licked it now, thought it tasted good.
shakey jake
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That was squirrel ****, nutty
labels can go on rifle ammunition to say not to be used on live quarry but not on cartridges for clay shooting.
We no longer live in a democracy only a dictatorship, by MP and civil servants who live to justify their pay at the expense of the people they are supposed to serve.
The way this country is heading is shameful.
We no longer live in a democracy only a dictatorship, by MP and civil servants who live to justify their pay at the expense of the people they are supposed to serve.
The way this country is heading is shameful.
Smellydog
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In short, tyranny. What happens when the people become sheep and hand all power to the wolf.
I know one thing, looking at the price of steel shot 12gauge cartridges with biodegradable wads come 2029 i and expect a lot of others will be littering the countryside with single use plastic wads in the environment for the next thousand years give or take. And to be honest the way we are being treated so be it could not care about it.
And I say that as someone who has only ever use fibre wads.
And I say that as someone who has only ever use fibre wads.
HonestJohn
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Nickb
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No ....get more up , text only is boringLots of people liking the idea of me posting less photos
Off topic but Lead paint is another battle lost. Lead paint works because it is poisonous and doesn't allow fungus and bacteria to grow. Windows painted in lead lasted 70 years between coats, whereas you are lucky to get 7 years with acrylic paint. Who licks exterior paint anyway?
Its the "special interest" photos of you on hands and knees that caused the issue so as long as you stop posting those then crack onLots of people liking the idea of me posting less photos
Heym SR20
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The ban on lead ammunition is part of REACH legislation which covers the use of dangerous chemicals.
Penalties are pretty severe including unlimited fines and jail time, and includes directors etc who knowingly allow the use of dangerous chemicals and these chemicals getting into wider environment.
Enforcement of REACH is in the hands of the Environment Agency, the Health and Safety Executive and their equivalents in the devolved nations.
Lead based ammo will fade out as the deadline on April 1st 2029 comes about. It will just like the fade out of IMR 4831, it could no longer be imported and stocks just got used up.
Of course there will be individuals who will stock pile lead ammunition and cartridges and will continue to use them. But increasingly they will find it very difficult to find places that will allow them to be used. In game shooting the onus will fall on shoot captains and with commercial shoots, the directors. Some may turn a blind eye.
As regards target shooting and continued use of lead bullets.
1) it will only be target bullets that can be offered for sale and use.
2) approved ranges - these will have to have facilities to capture and allow recovery of lead bullets. The approval will be from the Environment Agency, SEPA etc and the range operator will need to record how much lead is going in, and when lead recovery happens. The Agency will inspect the range, and the operating procedures prior to granting the derogation. There will be a nominated person within the club or range operating organisation who will be responsible for ensuring the range is compliant and will act as the designated inmate if none compliant. Note comments above re penalties.
Exactly what the Agencies will require in terms of range design etc remains to be seen.
Again it will be down to individual clubs and organisations to choose whether to comply or disregard the law and risk the penalties.
As for shotguns - unless you are an Olympic standard athlete with a derogation to use lead you won’t be able to buy lead cartridges.
28 bore and 410’s are difficult to find steel options in the UK at the moment, although they do exist overseas. You can buy bismuth shells for both in the UK.
Given the market demand there is an opportunity for a market niche for steel and non-lead options in 28 and 410.
If you are shooting old obsolete guns, then you are probably already rolling your own cartridges. I suspect those of us shooting 2” and 2 1/2” 410s will be loading our own with Bismuth. Mind cost of 410 cartridges are already eye watering compared to 12s.
Penalties are pretty severe including unlimited fines and jail time, and includes directors etc who knowingly allow the use of dangerous chemicals and these chemicals getting into wider environment.
Enforcement of REACH is in the hands of the Environment Agency, the Health and Safety Executive and their equivalents in the devolved nations.
Lead based ammo will fade out as the deadline on April 1st 2029 comes about. It will just like the fade out of IMR 4831, it could no longer be imported and stocks just got used up.
Of course there will be individuals who will stock pile lead ammunition and cartridges and will continue to use them. But increasingly they will find it very difficult to find places that will allow them to be used. In game shooting the onus will fall on shoot captains and with commercial shoots, the directors. Some may turn a blind eye.
As regards target shooting and continued use of lead bullets.
1) it will only be target bullets that can be offered for sale and use.
2) approved ranges - these will have to have facilities to capture and allow recovery of lead bullets. The approval will be from the Environment Agency, SEPA etc and the range operator will need to record how much lead is going in, and when lead recovery happens. The Agency will inspect the range, and the operating procedures prior to granting the derogation. There will be a nominated person within the club or range operating organisation who will be responsible for ensuring the range is compliant and will act as the designated inmate if none compliant. Note comments above re penalties.
Exactly what the Agencies will require in terms of range design etc remains to be seen.
Again it will be down to individual clubs and organisations to choose whether to comply or disregard the law and risk the penalties.
As for shotguns - unless you are an Olympic standard athlete with a derogation to use lead you won’t be able to buy lead cartridges.
28 bore and 410’s are difficult to find steel options in the UK at the moment, although they do exist overseas. You can buy bismuth shells for both in the UK.
Given the market demand there is an opportunity for a market niche for steel and non-lead options in 28 and 410.
If you are shooting old obsolete guns, then you are probably already rolling your own cartridges. I suspect those of us shooting 2” and 2 1/2” 410s will be loading our own with Bismuth. Mind cost of 410 cartridges are already eye watering compared to 12s.
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